Curious About Freeper's Views Of Joyce Meyer

onedoug ^ | 12 DEC 2001 | onedoug

[onedoug]

"You got me plum-hypnotized," Elmer Gantry says to Sister Sharon Falconer in that film/novel.

Is that the case with me over Joyce Meyer?

She seems pretty good at down-home preachin'. And while not a classic beauty, she yet ministers out a fair amount sex appeal, along with the word.

(I think, ultimately, it's those Texas/Missouri eyes.)

I post this to philosophy since, as I know she has a fair amount of, at least internet detractors, it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.

...Except perhaps the late Bishop Fulton J Sheen.

In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think. Particularly Evangelicals!

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to All!

[cva66snipe]

"Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. But I do not suffer a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, was in the transgression" (1 Tim. 2:11-14).

Read it again carefully: I do not suffer a woman to teach. Paul does not want a woman to teach. He said I as meaning himself. His rules for his services. There is plenty of examples in both the OT and NT where woman are used as messengers of GOD including the very announcement that "HE HAS RISEN" to the diciples. If I took the Bible out of context I could read Solomons writtings and be a drunk. Hebrew custom was the rule of the day. Paul wrote in that manner just as Christ parables were centered in Hebrew customs. Even such phrases as Children obey your parents can and indeed are taken to extremes that at best drive them to anger and worst lead to abuse of the child itself.

[cva66snipe]

The Bible says that short hair is a shame for a woman. Let's stick with what Scripture says, not what you may feel emotionally. Besides, she should be at home, she neglected her children for years trying to build a minisrty and has admitted to that.

True it also has two books called Exodus and Leviticus which contains the Laws of Moses? Do you suggest we return to obeying each and every one of them as well? But what does Christ actually say about those who follow him to preach his word? Her responsibility was to her calling. Many men are as guilty Bob Pierce, Billy Graham, Many of the Disciples left it all, the evangelist who attended your church last revival I'm sure needs quality time at home as well.

I'll tell you what one of the most Christian woman I knew had no hair at all. Her husband used to be my preacher. Legalistim can not save you. You can obey each and every word in the Bible along with every law and yet still not go to heaven. I've seen persons ripped apart just by some denominations baptism ritual differed from anothers. BTW you can go under a sinner and come up a wet sinner still under condemnation.

Despite all the legal and theological twist man can contrive it all comes down to this. "For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. That whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life". Simple faith is all it takes. GOD knew mans weakness and his inability to follow the law for salvation. Christ despised the legalism shown of the Hebrew leaders of his day. So simple is the very heart of the Gospel message that it's get's tripped over as a pebble while the person was watching for a boulder.

I will not judge Joyce Meyers for preaching the Gospel. I will not condemn her for it either. I have listened to her and many other conservative preachers. I'm a shut in when it comes to church. I haven't been in a decade. I saw her first on a tv Sunday church service called Cornerstone out of San Antonio. Who does she praise and give glory for her works Joyce Meyer or GOD?

[onedoug]

God Bless those women who stayed at The Cross when all of the men who had known, and believed in Jesus, abandoned him.

And God Bless those women who did not remain silent at the Tomb, or of the Resurrection but were rather its first witnesses.

And God Bless all those women since, from whom Christianity would otherwise never have been known in the world.

[onedoug]

Blasphemy, eh? Well...Mk 2:17.

God Bless You, too.

[onedoug]

Well, maybe two.

Mt 26:6-13.

Thanks.

[LaineyDee]

Ok... let's stick to scripture.

1 Corinthians 11

6 If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and IF it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.

1 Corinthians 11

14 Isn't it obvious that it's disgraceful for a man to have long hair?

15 And isn't it obvious that long hair is a woman's pride and joy? For it has been given to her as a covering.

16 But if anyone wants to argue about this, all I can say is that we have no other custom than this, and all the churches of God feel the same way about it.

Acts 15

28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:

29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

***I think that we put heavy burdens on people when we demand that they adhere to traditions and man-made rules, thinking we can make them and ourselves holy... by outward appearance. I know where you're coming from though... for I used to attend a Penecostal church. I had a real hard time with the finger-pointing, condemnation, traditions of (wo)men and the gossip about who wasn't good enough to be in their cliques.

Matthew 23

27"How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs--beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people's bones and all sorts of impurity.

28You try to look like upright people outwardly, but inside your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.

***Now..here's another interesting observation. I see no difference in Joyce Meyer ministering to women and having men "listen in"... than you and I putting forth scripture here.. teaching/preaching in our responses to the men on this board. Aren't we guilty of the very thing you accuse Mrs. Meyer of?

[LaineyDee]

I know the bible is infallible so when I find what seems to be a conflict it is because I missed something

So true. I used to be confused about the "camel and the eye of a needle" story... until I read the history and customs of that day. It brought it all into context.. and from that point on... I started digging deeper.

[onedoug]

Had there been no women in the early church you'd believe in something else.

[nicmarlo]

. . . it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.

I've watched her quite a bit; she's yet to say something against the Christian doctrine I have learned and read in the Word. I'd say, keep on watchin'! She's got the gift of teaching with practicality and humor. She knows the Word, backward and forward it's obvious, and I sense her sincerity, something lacking in most other t.v. preacher/teachers.

[alnick]

The length of her hair is relevant because...?

[LaineyDee]

The Word says it's a SHAME for a man to have long hair.....it does NOT say SHAME for a woman to have short hair...no matter WHICH translation you use.

BTW, you never answered my previous question. What is the difference between Joyce Meyer...when she preaches to women... with men listening in.....than YOU and I on this board... preaching to men...putting forth scripture and taking or usurping their authority in the knowledge of the Word?