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DU Discusses Libertarianism
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Posted on 12/17/2001 12:32:10 PM PST by NC_Libertarian

DU discusses libertarianism. I thought some of you might find this interesting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=10179&forum=DCForumID35&omm=0


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To: VA Advogado
Um, sure. Libertarians are Liberals. And Conservatives are Conservationists. And Socialites are Socialists. This is fun. See how many more you can find.
61 posted on 12/17/2001 3:40:06 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: Virginia-American
Small correction.

the criticism of liberals that I made in reply 50 was meant as a rough assessment of the movement, and not to apply to all liberals or even a majority of them( (except that one last comment - which I think applies to 90%+ of them).

62 posted on 12/17/2001 3:40:18 PM PST by jackbob
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To: muir_redwoods
Vegetarians are vegetables.
63 posted on 12/17/2001 3:42:23 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: fnord
Alvin Lee did write it, but I'm not having any luck finding any more than superficial info about him. It seems Ten Years After covered mostly the same blues standards as Yardbirds and early Stones, FWIW.
64 posted on 12/17/2001 3:43:39 PM PST by Dakmar
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To: Dakmar
Churchhill may have been the first -or at least one of the first to be credited. Something like, "The vice of capitolism is that it results in an unequal distribution of wealth. The virtue of socialism is that it results in an equal distribution of poverty."
65 posted on 12/17/2001 3:44:31 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: muir_redwoods
LOL, and the old Tory Party were all Bullfighters.
66 posted on 12/17/2001 3:46:01 PM PST by Dakmar
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To: Dakmar
The liberal dipwads at DU think libertarians are swell fellows well met on such sterling, noble, and important issues as dope, porn, nonchalant sex, and sodomy.

It must be a grand feeling for some libertarians to know they are bosom allies of the liberal leeches on the vice side of the swamp.

I just wish the libertarian whack-jobs would all go over to DU, verbally copulate with the DUpers, and find it so much to their liking that they would take up residence in that stinking rat's nest with them.

It would sure clean up this place.

67 posted on 12/17/2001 3:48:17 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Dane
Huh? My politcal philosophy doesn't hinge on every moment to spout about how the fate of the republic hangs on the right to smoke dope(I will give you a hint of who they are, Lib-rtar-ans).

Your ability to ignore the obvious is as refreshing as always.A good libertarian thread wouldn't be the same without the village idiot.Your philosophy seems to hinge around jumping in the middle of every libertarian thread and spouting how wrong we are. If you're so sure of your position why do you find a constant need to reassure yourself? You seem to be in a hurry to label everyone who disagrees with you a "druggie".Does that make you feel superior? It hurts your credibility because you refuse to confront issues, instead resorting to obfuscation. Why aren't you on the far right threads schmoozing with those who will validate your beliefs.(by the way, you don't have to be a dope smoker to realize that the War on Drugs is one of the most aggregious violations of Constitutional principals in our history.

68 posted on 12/17/2001 3:49:26 PM PST by AUgrad
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To: Kevin Curry
Actually, you are the one who has more in common with the liberals vis-a-vis your policies of complete state control over the life of the individual, but you will never figure that out, because you are so convinced that you are right you will never give in to reason; another liberal trait, I might add.
69 posted on 12/17/2001 3:55:20 PM PST by Dakmar
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To: Wolfie;WindMinstrel;CentralScrutiniser;malador
Jump right in, we've got a live one going.
70 posted on 12/17/2001 4:06:32 PM PST by Dakmar
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To: AUgrad
by the way, you don't have to be a dope smoker to realize that the War on Drugs is one of the most aggregious violations of Constitutional principals in our history.

Actually it would probable help.

The assult of anyone with morals is all I need to know about Libertarians to know how closely they mimick Liberals.

71 posted on 12/17/2001 4:11:27 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: AUgrad
BTW.. WAR DAMN EAGLE ...
72 posted on 12/17/2001 4:14:57 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Kevin Curry
And you're still nicer than they are.
73 posted on 12/17/2001 4:16:08 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Kevin Curry
It must be a grand feeling for some libertarians to know they are bosom allies of the liberal leeches on the vice side of the swamp.

As MadameAxe said to you on another thread ...

"This is where you constantly err in your assessment of libertarians. Libertarians call for the government to quit meddling in its citizens private affairs and consensual activities, not because we endorse or approve of all such behaviors but because it is immoral for government to do otherwise."

To err is to make an error. Once the error has been identified it is the person's responsibility to correct their own error. If they continue to make the same "error" (in quotes because it's intentional) it is dishonest and only serves to compound the problem and dig a deeper hole to extricate oneself from. 

The thing that strikes me is that a person always benefits by identifying and correcting their own errors. Conversely, to not acknowledge an error and correct it causes a lose of trust, respect and credibility. That is self-abuse. 

74 posted on 12/17/2001 4:17:36 PM PST by Zon
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To: Zon
You do mean a loss of trust, I hope. :-)
75 posted on 12/17/2001 4:20:49 PM PST by Dakmar
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"Liberal" got hijacked....

So did "Conservative"

Do any of you really want to maintain the status quo or return to political conditions of the "Recent" past?

I did't think so.

No, I'm no "Conservative". It's too late for that. "Restorationist" would be a more accurate term I think; as in "One who advocates the Restoration of Constitutional government in the united States of America.

76 posted on 12/17/2001 4:21:14 PM PST by Chuckster
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To: Zon
causes a lose of trust  ... causes a loss of trust
77 posted on 12/17/2001 4:22:37 PM PST by Zon
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To: Zon
"This is where you constantly err in your assessment of libertarians. Libertarians call for the government to quit meddling in its citizens private affairs and consensual activities, not because we endorse or approve of all such behaviors but because it is immoral for government to do otherwise."

Funny, the government is immoral to meddle, yet it is to have no morals. How can anything be immoral then? This is the point Liberitarians can't digest.

78 posted on 12/17/2001 4:22:52 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Lowelljr
Funny, the government is immoral to meddle, yet it is to have no morals. How can anything be immoral then? This is the point Liberitarians can't digest.

I quoted MadameAxe. I would change it to read:  

This is where you constantly err in your assessment of libertarians. Libertarians call for the government to quit meddling in its citizens private affairs and consensual activities, not because we endorse or approve of all such behaviors but because it is abusive to people for government to do otherwise.

That said and corrected, do you have any contention with the rest of what I wrote?..

To err is to make an error. Once the error has been identified it is the person's responsibility to correct their own error. If they continue to make the same "error" (in quotes because it's intentional) it is dishonest and only serves to compound the problem and dig a deeper hole to extricate oneself from. 

The thing that strikes me is that a person always benefits by identifying and correcting their own errors. Conversely, to not acknowledge an error and correct it causes a loss of trust, respect and credibility. That is self-abuse. 

79 posted on 12/17/2001 4:31:49 PM PST by Zon
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To: Lowelljr
A government's morality is judged (in part and in my opinion) by the extent to which is does not meddle in the morals of individuals.

As humans create governments, it is our role to judge a government’s morality. As God created us, it is His role to judge each individual's morality. To use government as a moral judge is to set the government above God with regard to His creation.

80 posted on 12/17/2001 4:32:19 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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