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Son needs article on research about gay lifestyle - please help
12-13-01

Posted on 12/13/2001 12:15:28 PM PST by wyopa

I know that I read here on Free Republic (awhile ago -- perhaps 3-4 months?) an article about research done on the gay lifestyle. The gist of the article was that an independent, non-Christian researcher had determined there is no proof that there is such a thing as a gene that "makes" someone a homosexual. The researcher seemed to be, in fact, surprised at the results of his research.

I have searched here on Free Republic but couldn't find the article. Can anyone point me in the right direction? My son, a freshman in high school, is preparing to argue this out with his entire biology class (all students plus the teacher vs. him). He needs some ammunition.

And one thing Freepers are good at is ammunition!

Any other resources, succinctly written, would also be greatly appreciated.


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To: OldFriend
And he has no idea how to use the computer?

Don't think I would want my child doing research on the gay-anything on the computer. I'm afraid that he would get exposed to more than he bargained for. Why don't you back off and let the mom help. The way I look at it, in this instance, the mom is doing a good job. I taught for 15 years and would encourage parent input. You have a public school mentality.

81 posted on 12/14/2001 6:49:15 AM PST by Pure Country
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To: 1 FELLOW FREEPER
no argument here - It was just a little harsh and overt before morning coffee - I've often said I cant see what is so "prideful" about anal sex. Besides, "turd burglar" evokes more giggles.

NottheDevil IS gay - but pretty rational towards addressing the social context of his lifestyle & its (pardon the pun) RAMifications.

82 posted on 12/14/2001 7:28:29 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
Over the years, I have posted this verbatim, with no additional commentary, just to elicit a response. I have found that the homos have been very successful at replacing the term homosexual with the word gay. What this accomplishes for them, is that people no longer see or hear the word "homosexual" used, just "gay". It takes your mind off what they really practice, which was probably their goal all along. So now, if somebody gives a graphic depiction of what homos do, the general reaction is "EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW!!don't say that"...or, even more revealing" I don't want to hear that...thats too gross".You bet it is too gross, so why are we allowing them to teach it as an "alternate lifestyle" "if you havent tried it, you shouldn't knock it" in our high schools??
83 posted on 12/14/2001 9:07:07 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: Ashley Dyer
Where in the hell do you people get all of your information and why in the hell do you care? If all of you spent as much time researching.....

Tell me, tell me that your sweet love hasn't died
Give me, give me one more chance
To keep you satisfied, satisfied

Little things I should have said and done
I just never took the time
You were always on my mind
You are always on my mind
You are always on my mind

-Elvis

84 posted on 12/14/2001 9:10:28 AM PST by pcl
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To: Colofornian
Great post. Unfortunately, we are living in a P.C. country right now, so consequences be damned, right along with responsibility be damned!! This has got to change, and rather quickly, or we are in trouble. A good place to start is to get rid of most public schools.
85 posted on 12/14/2001 9:29:36 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: jla
Only my opinion, but I'd be lookin' to put the boy in another school.

Amazingly, this is a very conservative, rural school in a conservative, rural area. The unanimous (except for my son) opinion of the class that there is a "gay gene" surprised me. Maybe it shouldn't have, but it did.

86 posted on 12/14/2001 11:20:28 AM PST by wyopa
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To: Pure Country
Why don't you back off and let the mom help. The way I look at it, in this instance, the mom is doing a good job.

Thanks for the encouraging words, Pure Country. We are a very hands-on family when it comes to our kids' education. Guess it comes from homeschooling them in their elementary years -- we never intended to take our hands off and haven't. The administration and teachers know us very, very well.

87 posted on 12/14/2001 11:23:32 AM PST by wyopa
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To: pcl
You are always on my mind

-Elvis

Now, why did I think Willie Nelson wrote that song? Guess I'm too young.

88 posted on 12/14/2001 11:27:21 AM PST by wyopa
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To: wyopa
He may be interested in this paper by Dennis Prager. It's re-posted on a Catholic site, but Prager is a Jew. He points out that the Torah's prohibition against gay sex was novel in its time. Contemporary cultures did not make a distinction between gay and straight sex. (To put it somewhat crudely, they distinguished between "top" and "bottom".) Prager has pointed out that this widespread tendency to have gay sex in these cultures, and the subequent lack of such behavior in their decendents, argues against a "gay gene". One would have to argue, for instance, that the ancient Greeks and modern Greeks are genetically different to believe in a "gay gene". In other places, Prager has pointed out that the existance of bi-sexuals argues against a "gay gene". That particular population obviously chooses one type of sex over another from moment to moment.
89 posted on 12/14/2001 11:44:29 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: wyopa
What's this teacher like? Sounds like a leftist indoctrinator.
Should kids in a biology class at this level really be concentrating on this matter?

Regardless, sounds like you're doing a very good job of raising your child.

93 posted on 12/14/2001 12:27:50 PM PST by jla
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To: wyopa
I dont know if there is a gay gene or not and I dont have any scientific data to back up any claims but, from personal observation over the years I would say that 65% of male homosexuals are born that way; the other 35% get sucked into it.
94 posted on 12/14/2001 1:45:05 PM PST by MAWG
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To: wyopa
"The unanimous (except for my son) opinion of the class that there is a "gay gene" surprised me. Maybe it shouldn't have, but it did."


From The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science:

"...LeVay made a interesting observation about the emphasis on the biology of homosexuality. He noted, "...people who think that gays and lesbians are born that way are also more likely to support gay rights...


From The Fading "Gay Gene":

"The idea of a 'gay gene' offered an ironclad defense of homosexuality; if it was genetically predetermined, then being gay could not be cast as 'deviant' behavior, something 'correctable.'"


From Is There a "Gay Gene"?:

"Many laymen now believe that homosexuality is part of who a person really is ­ from the moment of conception.

The "genetic and unchangeable" theory has been actively promoted by gay activists and the popular media. Is homosexuality really an inborn and normal variant of human nature?

No. There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is simply "genetic." And none of the research claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public...

How The Public Was Misled

In July of 1993, the prestigious research journal Science published a study by Dean Hamer which claims that there might be a gene for homosexuality. Research seemed to be on the verge of proving that homosexuality is innate, genetic and therefore unchangeablea normal variant of human nature.

Soon afterward, National Public Radio trumpeted those findings. Newsweek ran the cover story, "Gay Gene?" The Wall Street Journal announced, "Research Points Toward a Gay Gene...Normal Variation."

Of course, certain necessary qualifiers were added within those news stories. But only an expert knew what those qualifiers meant. The vast majority of readers were urged to believe that homosexuals had been proven to be "born that way."...


From "THE GAY GENE: GOING, GOING … GONE" by Yvette C. Schneider, Family Research Council:

"The idea that homosexuality is a predetermined condition that originates in the womb also has been increasingly embraced by society as a whole. A February 2000 Harris Poll of 1,010 randomly selected adults found that the number of people who believe "sexual orientation" "is more dependent on the genes you are born with" has increased 6 percent since 1995. Thirty-five percent of the people polled believe that homosexuality is "genetic," versus 29 percent who held that opinion in 1995. Fifty-two percent believe that "what you learn and experience" causes homosexuality, as opposed to 65 percent who believed that in 1995.

CONCLUSION

Scientists have not even come close to proving a genetic or biological cause for homosexuality, yet homosexual activists continue to say that sexual activity between members of the same sex is "just the same" as race or gender. Using "biology" as a stamp of legitimacy, activists have pushed for special rights, from sex-partner subsidies to "gay marriage" to adoption. Without scientific evidence to support such claims, it is wrong and dangerously misleading to say that people are born homosexual and cannot change.

Yvette C. Schneider, a former lesbian who is now married, is a policy analyst in the cultural studies department at Family Research Council."


From "A Change In Thinking" by Linda Bowles, TownHall.com, May 22, 2001:

"Many Americans believe homosexuals are born that way and can't do anything about it. For most of his professional life as a practicing psychiatrist, Dr. Robert Spitzer helped promote that belief. He has changed his mind...

For years, homosexual activists and the popular media have aggressively promoted the idea that the homosexual is unchangeably what he is from the moment of conception. This message implants in the minds of fair-minded Americans this thought: If you are born a certain way, how can you be judged for being that way?


The Overhauling of Straight America

95 posted on 12/14/2001 3:06:26 PM PST by EdReform
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To: NotTheDevil
NOT intelligent to pick a World Renowned Pervert and use him as an example of heterosexuality. That won't fly! Try again.
96 posted on 12/15/2001 9:40:02 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: NotTheDevil
1 FELLOW FREEPER Sorry if your "political correctness" was insulted. I really must object here. Although Revelation911 and I see eye-to-eye on very few things, I think it is insulting to him to label him "politically correct". Viler even than what you called me. 92 posted on 12/14/01 12:57 PM Pacific by NotTheDevil
Calling Revelation911 "politically correct" was indeed out of line and I hereby retract it.I retract nothing, however, of what I said to you.I am not advocating any thing harmful to homosexuals, I just want their sexual practices kept totally private. I don't want to see it on tv, discussed in schools, or otherwise accepted as normal human behavior.
97 posted on 12/15/2001 9:48:19 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: Lazamataz
"By all that's holy, you're drunk" lol
98 posted on 12/15/2001 9:51:18 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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