Son needs article on research about gay lifestyle - please help

12-13-01

[wyopa]

I know that I read here on Free Republic (awhile ago -- perhaps 3-4 months?) an article about research done on the gay lifestyle. The gist of the article was that an independent, non-Christian researcher had determined there is no proof that there is such a thing as a gene that "makes" someone a homosexual. The researcher seemed to be, in fact, surprised at the results of his research.

I have searched here on Free Republic but couldn't find the article. Can anyone point me in the right direction? My son, a freshman in high school, is preparing to argue this out with his entire biology class (all students plus the teacher vs. him). He needs some ammunition.

And one thing Freepers are good at is ammunition!

Any other resources, succinctly written, would also be greatly appreciated.

[Lazamataz]

it was bookmarked on Laz's website.

It was? Where?

[Mean Daddy]

Link to Seattle Times Article on Gay Twin Study

Plus do a Yahoo search on gay twin study for other articles.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

LOL. I removed it. Actually I think I sw it on Bryan's.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

sw=saw

[mbb bill]

Queers are born, not bred?

[freemind2]

That rationalization doesn't make sense. A pedophile could use the exact same defense and say he was biologically forced to molest young boys because it was a genetic imperative. He could claim that he doesn't choose to be a pedophile because who would do that since they are despised?

It is a question of odds. Pedophiles represent less than %0.00? of the population. (I don't know the percentage, but surely we can agree that it must be much smaller than %5 or %10). I think you have a serious hurdle to climb to explain how such an enormous number of people choose to be hated and despised for who they love, when it would be so much easier to find love if they were straight.

[Lazamataz]

LOL. I removed it. Actually I think I sw it on Bryan's.

You cannot remove things from other people's websites. I didn't see it on Bryans either. You're also misspelling a lot of words.

By all that's holy, I think you're drunk.

[moderation_is_not_a_bad_thing]

Research has found that there are differences in the physical brain structure of gay men that in fact closely resemble the structure as it appears in heterosexual females. So there is biological evidence to explain homosexuality, although that doesn't mean it's genetic. Most theories point to some environmental effect during the 9 months in the womb; possibly a hormonal shift in the mother. Personally, I have no problems with people being homosexual. I'm not, and I'm not threatened by the idea either. There are sexual activities engaged in by married heterosexuals that I wouldn't participate in either (There are far more heterosexual sodomites then homosexual). Who cares? And why should you?

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Misspelling is a gift. Are you sure it isn't on Bryan's? When I did a site search on google of the article, his profile came up. Hmm. (is hmm spelled with one "m" or two?). Are you a member of the apostraphe' posse' ? :)

[Colofornian]

to explain how such an enormous # of people choose to be hated & despised

Enough w/the class-victim mentality. Three out of 4 homosexuals (76%) feel more accepted by society today (11/01) than a few yrs. ago according to a Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation Study.

[sit-rep]

An interesting analogy. I will stick to my guns and argue that yes, in the case of Mormon polygomists, this is a choice, where in the case of gay people it is not a choice.

Those Mormon's becoming polygomists did so in the context of numerous examples and a geographic community that included some support. The typical gay teenager assumes that he/she is the only gay kid in their entire school and has no examples to follow, yet they know that they are gay. Their only choice is to accept themselves or not.

I doubt there is much evidence that the overwhelming majority of polygomists report knowing that they were polygamists when they were very young. Almost all gay people can report memories of non-sexual, yet homosexual thoughts and feelings often at pre-pubescent ages.

You are one weak minded individual....(feeble minded)

All kids...got that??? ALL kids go through a stage of investigation, arousel, mutual attractions etc. The turn in nature that all humans...I mean, most humans take is called maturity. Most humans mature and find attraction in the opposite sex and then reproduce. Your selected few stay in the childhood period and never crawl out.

Your outlook is terribly flawed. ...they are born that way...they don't have a choice... What a damned cop out.

SR

[MistrX]

Are you trying to get your son expelled from school? Anything questioning the gay agenda will be deemed as hate speech, and then your son will be harrassed and ridiculed, and possibly even be accosted by gay activists.

[Lazamataz]

Misspelling is a gift.

And like a gift, 'tis better to give than receive proper spelling.

Are you sure it isn't on Bryan's?

Look at his actual profile. Snot ther.

is hmm spelled with one "m" or two?

It is spelled Hymn.

Are you a member of the apostraphe' posse' ?

It always comes back to posse, doesn't it? :o)

[RedBloodedAmerican]

LOL Always, I 'spose!

[1 FELLOW FREEPER]

THEY HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH, EAT AND LICK $HIT........ WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW????

[Colofornian]

5% or 10%

Family Planning Perspectives (Alan Guttmacher Institute, research arm of Planned Parenthood...Guttmacher was a former prez of Planned Parenthood): "Only 2% of sexually active men aged 20-39 have had any same-gender sexual activity during the last 10 years, and only 1% reported being exclusively homosexual during this interval." FPP: 25:52-60, 1993, "The Sexual Behavior of Men in the United States" by John Billy, Koray Tanfer, Wm. Grady, & Danl. Kelpinger

Other studies (except Kinsey's flawed study, which is where the 10% figure comes from...of course it would be 10% when you as a researcher are primarily taking data from prisoners...25% of his male sample were inmates!) show similar stats. Kinsey used the 5% figure for women (Kinsey's sample group included a whopping 58% piece of the pie represented by women who were unmarried--three times the actual # of women @ the time). Kinsey only included 10 states in his sample, making it regionally skewed. Kinsey's sample was entirely voluntary. Kinsey's male report contains data on sexual activity of 317 children aged 2 months to 15 yrs. In short, Kinsey was both a pedophile & he also facilitated sexual abuse upon children. (See video, THE CHILDREN OF TABLE 34).

Exclusively homosexual: University of Chicago in '89 found that 1.2% of males & 1.2 of females reported homosexual activity in previous year (you mean to tell me that 3.8-8.8% of homosexuals were celebate for an entire year when they are the most promiscuous of any sub-group in our population?)

France: 91-92 govt. survey: 1.4% of men & 0.4 % of women had homosexual sex in 5 yrs. preceding the study.

Britain: 90-91 study (ages 16-59): 1.4% of men homosexual activity in 5 yrs. preceding study.

Norway: '87 study (ages 16-60) 0.9% of men & 0.9% of women had homosexual activity w/in 3 yrs. of study

Denmark: '89 random sample of adults 18-59 found homosexual intercourse reported by 2.7% of males. Less than 1% of men were exclusively homosexual.

[freemind2]

All kids...got that??? ALL kids go through a stage of investigation, arousel, mutual attractions etc

Now we know why you are such an emotional gay-basher. You feel guilt over your own homosexual feelings. In an attempt to explain your own experience, you convince yourself that ALL kids start off just like you, while what separates you from the perverted scum is your ability to behave in a heterosexual manner.

You are quite wrong that ALL kids have same-sex arousel, mutual attractions. Again, just ask people. Are some people going to lie and deny they ever had a same-sex thought? Sure. But not millions. I've asked both of my parents. I don't think they lied to me. Neither ever experienced a same-sex thought or experience.

But my original point was that I doubt there exists evidence that thoughts/feelings of polygamy begin in pre-pubescence, while there is abundant evidence (your own gratefully accepted) that feelings of homosexuality do.

[Colofornian]

The typical gay teenager...has no examples to follow

What alien planet are you from? This is the most media saturated culture ever! I have seen THOUSANDS & THOUSANDS of articles/electronic media segments on the gay lifestyle. One of our local high schools even ran an article on gays that included 2 phone #s to Gay advocacy youth groups (try running phone #s in a student publication for evangelical youth groups & see what a hubub that would create!)...that was BEFORE GLSTEN's full-court press of getting gay materials, teacher sensititivy training sessions, gay history lessons, etc. etc. on campus.

Teens these days are much more computer savvy, which means they get way too much of BAD EXAMPLES from online sources. Gay characters are elevated on TV. PFLAG is there w/their propaganda, as if the liberal media needed any assistance. So polygamists had "some support"...give me a break...there are more "welcome mats" into the gay lifestyle due to minors being targeted than there are mines in Afghanistan!

[NatureGirl]

Would 10% or even 5% of the population choose to be a hated, despised, and feared minority?

Yes. Some people are just desperate for attention. Some people like to live a "cutting edge" lifestyle, even if they know that it will kill them.

[freemind2]

there are more "welcome mats" into the gay lifestyle due to minors being targeted than there are mines in Afghanistan!

Ok, there has been an enormous increase in media attention to gay people over the past few years. A few years ago the coverage was zero, excepting an occasional abstract hint (watch "Suddenly Last Summer"). So the increase has been enormous in percentage terms.

But back when the subject was taboo, the first study (flawed you say) gave the whopping figure of 10% gay. Now, after the gay welcome mat is out, and your children are being recruited day and night, you site study after study giving the figure at 1-2%. People do not choose to be gay. They can't be recruited. Sleep well.