Posted on 12/13/2001 7:50:35 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
STAYAWAY CHRISTIANS ALMOST COST ELECTION
Many Christians believe that prayer played a major role in sending George W. Bush to the White House, but stayaway believers came close to losing him the election, according to his chief political adviser, Karl Rove.
Rove said that one reason the 2000 election was so tight was that as many as 4 million Christian conservatives did not go to the polls, reported "The Chicago Tribune." Although the Bush campaign had expected 19 million evangelical voters to vote for their man, election returns revealed only 15 million turned out to cast ballots.
Speaking yesterday at an American Enterprise Institute seminar, Rove said the Bush campaign "probably failed to marshal support of the base as well as we should have," said the "Tribune." Rove added: "But we may also be returning to the point in America where fundamentalists and evangelicals remain true to their beliefs and think politics is corrupt and, therefore, they shouldn't participate."
Rove said that if the "process of withdrawal" went on it would be bad for the country as well as conservatives and Republicans. "It's something we have to spend a lot of time and energy on."
Actually history tells us otherwise, honest defeat most often leads to further loss and subjugation... death and destruction.
The phoenix really did not "rise from the ashes", but it makes for a nice fairy tale... most of the principles religious folks "stand for" are phony ones anyhow... its a free country, but NOT if they have anything to say about it... they want those PRINCIPLES jammed down the rest of our nation's collective throats... anything less is (to them) a compromise in principle.
We won the election without them. We dont need them, want them, and should not tolerate their tantrums... it is good we won narrowly without their votes. This next election will be more about "non religious" issues and more about the issues that the constitution HAS placed within the pervue of our government.
Stayaway Christians ARE the American, Christian version of the Islamic talabanists... we need to get rid of their influence nationally, politically and publicly if we are to ever move beyond partisan, sectarian "warlord" mentalities.
Bush is an all around, good guy. Not as good as I want, but good enough for us as a nation.
Yes, I know, but I think that you are being very unfair. 2 REASONS: 1) The Republicans didn't control congress and the WH long enough to do anything. It was just few months, during which Bush was trying to set up his administration. Jeffords jumped when they began to push a conservative agenda (the judges). 2) We lost a lot of Pro-Life votes in the last election. I don't think that we would have had the votes even if the Republicans had voted on it. Can you name 51 Senators who would vote for it? Keeping in Mind that the Democrats would put a lot more pressure on any democrat who voted pro-life, since clinton isn't there to veto it.
I think that the heart of your complaint is that the Republicans didn't make it their #1 vote. But if they tryed that, one of the RINOs would have switched to prevent it. Right now Senator chaffee has threaten to switch parties in order to keep the republicans out of power. Do you think that he and jeffords (or any other RINO) would have stayed in the party to let the Repubs pass a ban on PBA.
If the Democrats get in again, they will be more unchecked than they were under Clinton. The nickname "Hitlerly" that some of us here have given Mrs. Clinton is accurate in one respect: She has Hitler's tolerance for dissent. Even the New York Times commented that she treats those who disagree with her as enemies.
Gore said he'd sign McCain-Feingold, and you can bet your butt that President Hillary Clinton, President John Edwards, President John Kerry, or President Joe Lieberman will sign it, too. There is only one purpose behind that bill: To give the left a tool by which they can silence their opposition. And to give them technicalities that they can trip our guys up on.
I won't take that chance. Abortion is an issue that can only be handled through getting good judges through. That means getting good Senators in the Senate and KEEPING THEM IN. It means we also decide what has to be done first, and we pick our battles. The far left has the DNC, and they give off an odor of "politically correct" facism. I want to keep that odor out of the White House.
Actually, there is a lot Bush can do. For starters, he could pressure the GOP controlled House to pass legislation stripping Planned Parenthood of $66 million a year in taxpayers' money.
By subsidizing Planned Deadbabyhood with our tax dollars, the GOP merely gives one of its harshest critics a bigger megaphone with which to denounce it.
Planned Deadbabyhood spent millions to defeat Bush; spent millions to stop Ashcroft; and will spend millions to lead and orchestrate the smear campaign against any Conservative, pro-lifer Bush attempts to appoint to the US Supreme Court. Planned Deadbabyhood even maintained a website www.ROEvBUSH.com up until September 11.
If Bush is serious about advancing a pro-life agenda, he should first defund the leftists who are going to attempt to sabotage his agenda.
Pro-Life Policies Quashed (How RINO Ralph Regula Killed Effort to Defund Planned Parenthood)
If you want to change the world in your immage I suggest you run! When I hear your platform I might work to get you a bunch of votes.
You're the one who is making sure that candidates like Al Gore are elected.What did I do to make sure candidates like Al Gore get elected? Did I even say who I voted for? And as a matter of fact, it made absolutely no difference who I voted for given the state I live in. I was simply making an observation that "our" side expects candidates to be ideologically pure. You're proving my point beautifully -- thanks.
Another excellent post Scott, but I think that you are wasting your arguments on this crowd. They do not understand what it means to participate in the elections or government of a free republic. They are fit only to be RULED, and make no mistake, they will be. If they are fortunate they will be ruled by those of us who agree with them on most policies. If, on the other hand, they are successful, they will be ruled by their bitterest enemies, which would be fit justice for them.
The facts are in my favor, Friend.
"Abortion is Vital to the Solution" -- A 'Key Point' from Kissinger's NSSM-200
Feel free to start there. I can keep you in substantive threads for quite some time wherein you cannot escape the awful truth you've been had ... big-time.
By the way ... READ MY LIPS: You got this much right.
Sometimes it's a plus to have a Democrat in office.
For example, the GOP wouldn't be caught dead liquidating Texans a gas tank's distance from "Prairie Chapel". Better they outfit Clinton and Reno with federal police force so they can do the dirty work knowing they'll get aWaco withmurder once the GOP wipes their weapons clean under cover of "election crisis" on November 8, 2000.
Still, the last time abortion was challenged it was 5-4. One more vote.
Bush should (and might) appoint a well-qualfied conservative Hispanic woman to the court and say I dare you to the Democrats. This would put another conservative on the court and help the president out with Hispanics. I believe that large gains can and will be made with Hispanic voters.
I don't see why people don't understand this. I guess people think it's cool to lose elections and vote for the vegitarian party candidate.
I guess that you do need a little education on how the Congress functions, since you seem so ignorant on the subject. It takes the Congress about 6 months to get to passing any controversial legislation which is not the first priority. Jeffords switched in May, only 4 months after Bush took office. Four months was not enough time to bring up this legislation with such a tiny majority.
Please tell us all how the president can do this.
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