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The drug war vs. the war on terror
Chicago Tribune ^ | December 13, 2001 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 12/13/2001 3:32:50 AM PST by CrossCheck

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:47 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

On Oct. 25, six weeks after the worst terrorist atrocities in our history, the United States was bombing Afghanistan, Colin Powell was discussing a post-Taliban government, investigators were grappling with anthrax in the mail, and federal agents were . . . well, they were going after pot smokers in California. If John Ashcroft had been around during the Chicago fire, he would have been handcuffing jaywalkers.


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To: FreeTally
You really can't stand that people make decisions that you don't want them to, can you?

I'm glad you said that. I gives me great insight to were you are coming from. That of a 10 year old. Daddy just doesn't want me to have fun. He just likes to tell me what to do. I could care less what people do. But I will not allow people to put me and my family at risk. Even if they legalized drugs, if I saw a man using crack in his yard, I would probably shoot him. I will not allow my family to be threatened.

361 posted on 12/13/2001 1:48:37 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: VA Advogado
The reason there has been so much concentration on drug cases is obvious - terrorism and violent crimes don't offer one-tenth the opportunity for asset seizures and bribery. BUZZZZZZ. Wrong answer. They effortly seized a pretty good amount of Bin Laden related cash in this war. In the millions. Try another defense of druggies.

Buzzzzz Wrong Answer, assets seizures are split between the police dept that arrests the culprit and the informant who provided the info. Bin Laden cash, if it was really seized, will remain in a trust that will be whittled down by taxes, attorney fees, management fees and emerge in ten years as $1.75 check issued to the widows and orphans. Next Contestant Please!

362 posted on 12/13/2001 1:50:31 PM PST by jaso
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To: bassmaner
But did that really made a significant dent in the overall use of drugs?

Can't you see the folly in that kind of utopian, socialistic thinking?

First, that is not how I think, second it is not socialistic, and third the only utopian is you who thinks that this republic would survive if all drugs were legalized.

363 posted on 12/13/2001 1:52:16 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Great retaliation, now if only you could change the drug use statistics of current criminals in prison that were high while committing a crime

Statistics will tell you that most people are in jail or prison because they were found to be in posession of or caught selling drugs. Not because of something they did under the influence of drugs.

Also the threat is also to the users family. NO person has the right to destroy the ones around them. No one has the right to take a substance that takes away their ability to function as a resposible human.

Absolutely people have that right. People have a right to act like complete utter irresponsible *ssholes.

364 posted on 12/13/2001 1:53:21 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Texaggie79
Even if they legalized drugs, if I saw a man using crack in his yard, I would probably shoot him.

And you would go up the river on a 1st-degree murder charge, my friend!

In reality, however, such a circumstance would never occur. Just as people no longer drink antifreeze to get drunk, crack cocaine would probably no longer even exist in a world in which powder cocaine was legalized. Crack is a cheap, adulterated artifact of prohibition.

365 posted on 12/13/2001 1:53:28 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: FreeTally
Thats why I said I would shoot someone I saw smoking crack if there was nothing I could do legally. Even on their own property. It is a direct threat of force.
366 posted on 12/13/2001 1:53:30 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Even if they legalized drugs, if I saw a man using crack in his yard, I would probably shoot him.

You are certifiably insane.

367 posted on 12/13/2001 1:54:14 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: bassmaner
Crack is a cheap, adulterated artifact of prohibition

Yup, that's why such rich people as Darryl Strawberry use it. LMAO Are you that blind?

368 posted on 12/13/2001 1:54:57 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: FreeTally
You are certifiably insane.

You are just totally convinced that smoking crack is just a peaceful activity aren't you? LMAO I have witnessed the facts.

369 posted on 12/13/2001 1:55:50 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: bassmaner
Tex is off his rocker. I wonder if he actually believes that shooting someone smoking crack is justafiable? I would love to see him explain to a court his theory of "Direct threats through drug use".
370 posted on 12/13/2001 1:57:14 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: Texaggie79
You are just totally convinced that smoking crack is just a peaceful activity aren't you?

How in the hell can a non-initiatory act not be peaceful? Are you really that dense?

I can't even believe I am responding to this.....

371 posted on 12/13/2001 1:59:22 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: FreeTally
How in the hell can a non-initiatory act not be peaceful?

It is physically impossible to remain a responsible peaceful citizen when on crack.

372 posted on 12/13/2001 2:00:52 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
What pisses me off is all these FRmails from FReepers thanking me. GET ON HERE AND STATE YOUR POSITIONS!!! Look at this thread. It appears as if most of FR is pro-drugs. STOP FRMAILING ME AND POST!!!!!
373 posted on 12/13/2001 2:02:41 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Stop posting to yourself!
374 posted on 12/13/2001 2:07:37 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Stop posting to yourself!

If it was to myself, then it obviously didn't concern you, so butt out. :-P

375 posted on 12/13/2001 2:09:03 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
First, that is not how I think,

Apologies for impugning your thought processes ...:-( At least you can defend your position rationally (unlike most other WOD supporters).

second it is not socialistic

Government control over a private, personal behavior is most certainly socialistic. After all, it was an unholy alliance of "progressives" (read: socialists) and holy rollers that got alcohol Prohibition passed. That great "social experiment" failed miserably, and we are repeating the same mistakes today with "illegal drugs".

and third the only utopian is you who thinks that this republic would survive if all drugs were legalized.

The republic survived the first 138 years of its existence with all drugs legalized.

Regarding the graph -- consider the sources: they have a stake in the continued enforcement of drug prohibition laws. And even if you believe the accuracy of those "damned statistics" (paraphrasing Mark Twain's quote about "lies, damned lies, and statistics"), is it really worth the cost to society? The world's highest incarceration rate? The shredding of the Constitution? The demonization of law enforcement in a large segment of society?

Personally, I don't think it's worth it. There has to be a better way.

376 posted on 12/13/2001 2:10:17 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: Texaggie79
Thanks, I was going to say that.
377 posted on 12/13/2001 2:10:26 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
I'm glad you said that. I gives me great insight to were you are coming from. That of a 10 year old. Daddy just doesn't want me to have fun. He just likes to tell me what to do. I could care less what people do. But I will not allow people to put me and my family at risk. Even if they legalized drugs, if I saw a man using crack in his yard, I would probably shoot him. I will not allow my family to be threatened.

Now that's out of line. He better be in your yard if you're going to shoot him. Public crack use should be arrestable just like public drunkeness, but that doesn't call for shooting people.
378 posted on 12/13/2001 2:12:37 PM PST by LazarusX
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To: Texaggie79
I addressed that somewhere in here. It was a joke, I forgot the smiley face. I was making fun that you knew LSD users because I knew tons of them as well.

That's good. You had me worried. You sounded like some of the nutters here.
379 posted on 12/13/2001 2:14:23 PM PST by LazarusX
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To: Texaggie79
Great retaliation, now if only you could change the drug use statistics of current criminals in prison that were high while committing a crime.

I don't know that this is a valid statistic to use. How many people in America used drugs and did not commit a crime (other than the drug possession)? We do not know this percentage. I mean, if 99.995% of the people that used drugs did not also commit a crime, you would be hard pressed to show a relation. And until the government gives daily urine tests to every citizen, we can never know this answer for comparison.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that drug laws are clearly a state's rights issue under the Constitution. States should be able to make laws prohibiting or allowing alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, etc. I do not believe any of these should be addressed at the Federal level. This country is designed to be 50 mini-republics with their own ideas. When we blend everything down to the homogenous mushy middle (that 'everyone can agree to,' but few actually do) we lose the ability to learn from the successes and failures of trying different ways.

380 posted on 12/13/2001 2:14:41 PM PST by nightowl_jg
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