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1 posted on 12/11/2001 6:24:35 PM PST by Heisenburger
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To: Heisenburger
Don't know about a link, but there was a story about it on Brit Hume's show. Said the Israelis have quite an intelligence operation going on here in the USA. I think it repeats at midnight EST.
2 posted on 12/11/2001 6:26:21 PM PST by esther2
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link here

Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks

By David Wastell in Washington and Philip Jacobson in Jerusalem

(Filed: 16/09/2001)

ISRAELI intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent.

The attacks on the World Trade Centre's twin towers and the Pentagon were humiliating blows to the intelligence services, which failed to foresee them, and to the defence forces of the most powerful nation in the world, which failed to deflect them.

The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation.

"They had no specific information about what was being planned but linked the plot to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans that there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement," said a senior Israeli security official.

The CIA has said that it had no hard information that would have led to the prevention of the hijacking, but the FBI said it believed that cells operating within America and totalling at least 50 terrorists were behind last week's devastating hijacks; the names of new suspects are being added to the list daily.

America's intelligence agencies are being widely blamed for their failure to predict the attacks, or anything like them, and for not discovering any of the terrorist cells before the hijackings on Tuesday. Some of those who took part had lived in the US for months, or even years.

Evidence that a clear Israeli warning was delivered to American authorities, but ignored, would be a further blow to the reputation of the CIA, which is under fire for its failure last week.

An administration official in Washington said: "If this is true then the refusal to take it seriously will mean heads will roll. It is quite credible that the CIA might not heed a Mossad warning: it has a history of being overcautious about Israeli information."

8 posted on 12/11/2001 6:49:19 PM PST by mjp
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Not sure what the "news" in that kind of story would be. After all even our intelligence people knew about the 9/11 attack several years in advance. It was all laid out in the trial of the terrorists who tried to blow up the WTC.

I mean - hey - this is NOT NEW!

The message was ignored by Bill Clinton and his fellow Clintonistas. They thought they'd solved the problem by blowing up an aspirin factory in Sudan.

Unfortunately that didn't quite work.

9 posted on 12/11/2001 6:50:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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DUH where have you been? The Mossad warned clinton's cabinet and Billy the bomber. He blew them off. Go look at some links on my profile page.
11 posted on 12/11/2001 6:52:06 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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But most an old story because the CIA was tipped off by Israeli intelligence long before the attacks. The CIA ignored or didn't follow through.
14 posted on 12/11/2001 6:58:11 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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Of course, there's a huge difference between "something big and bad will happen soon -- but we're not sure where, in what form and on what date," and "on the morning of 9/11/01, hijacked planes will be flown into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and one unknown target."

Conspiracy fans (and I'm not calling you one) generally can't or won't make that distinction.

15 posted on 12/11/2001 6:59:36 PM PST by dighton
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My question is would it have made any difference if we had ironclad proof on say 09/05/01 that the event was going to happen? I submit to you no it would not have mattered. Some liberal suck federal judge would have ordered the suspects release. Or ALCU would have filed a friend of the court brief. Given the PC climate in the US pre-09/11/01 I think having the ironclad proof would only have postponed the act.
16 posted on 12/11/2001 7:03:00 PM PST by vladog
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"The Fox ticker at the bottom of the screen is reporting that Israeli intelligence may have known about the September 11th attacks beforehand and yet didn't tell the U.S."

I don't believe it. I flat out don't believe it.

Thanks to the Freeper who posted in response that Israel did in fact report details in advance about the possibility of a major terrorist operation with links to Osama bin Laden. Too bad the paper pushers at the FBI, CIA etc. let dreams of future promotions and bonuses cloud their judgement.

17 posted on 12/11/2001 7:03:23 PM PST by Ciexyz
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MYSTERY SOLVED

Israeli intelligence DID know something about the attacks--and they also told the CIA (according to the Jerusalem Post).

20 posted on 12/11/2001 7:14:49 PM PST by xm177e2
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THINK ABOUT IT. Why on Earth would Israel not tell us. Makes no sense. Like us, they get zillions of threats ... if they did get it, they must not have thought it was legit.
29 posted on 12/11/2001 8:11:39 PM PST by Hildy
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Check this out. Did Jeb Bush know about the attacks on Sept. 7th?

Excerpt from here RE EXEC ORDER #2001-261.

. "Section 6.

This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and have caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 7th day of September 2001."

31 posted on 12/11/2001 8:47:33 PM PST by eazdzit
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Well I think it's irresponsible of Fox to report something like this in that manner. IMHO something like that (if it were real) would be a huge story, breaking news, they wouldn't report it like that; that's why I don't think it's real.

If it were true, it would certainly affect the way I look at the Israeli government, but I sincerely, sincerely doubt that it is true.
33 posted on 12/11/2001 9:40:03 PM PST by Michael2001
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Saw the 12am repeat of Brit Hume's Fox News Special Report. This story was an eye opener. And part of a "four part series" I believe he said.

The reporter is Carl Cameron.

I'd post a link but can't find anything on the foxnews site about this story.

It was a lot more than just a blip on the ticker. Brit Hume started with a reference to Pollard. Some outrageous stuff: they put up a map of the USA and marked 10? 20? states with suspected Israeli intelligence operative groups. They listed just about every major govt agency as being "targeted" by these groups. They gave a description of one group as posing as "art students". Another was selling toys at malls nationwide. Foxnews called the toy operation a "front". Apparently the company closed all of its mall "kiosks" fast and put up an excuse on their website. I can't remember the address. Fox showed the site and quoted from it.

Carl Cameron quoted from several sources various what I would call fairly outrageous accusations. Think the title of this thread is misleading. The real gist of the story was the existence of a very aggressive coordinated nationwide network of foreign intelligence agents.

There was mention at least twice I believe that in CA the Israelis were spying on Arab groups. This was a relief. But the other parts of the story were about US agencies being targeted. A long list!

Seems Foxnews is the most pro-Israel news on TV. Especially Brit Hume's show. That's why this was more of a shock. Think these are the last people in the media who are going to spread wild rumors about the Israelis.

As grownups we gotta recognize allies spy on each other. It's part of the game but this story pissed me off! I will tune in tomorrow and see what part II says.

34 posted on 12/11/2001 10:09:33 PM PST by XpandTheEkonomy
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Israel has always shared intelligence with the US. Something's off here.
35 posted on 12/11/2001 10:42:29 PM PST by brat
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An American-Israeli shipping company with offices in the WTC moved to new quarters in Norfolk, Virginia on September 1. You figure it out.

I discovered that one in a Wall Street Journal graphic up after the attacks which listed all the tenants in the WTC, their square footage, amount of employees, etc.

37 posted on 12/11/2001 11:27:18 PM PST by Fulbright
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When the "spinners" get to this it should be a sight to see!
……FOX is owned by a Saudi Prince
……FOX is a left-wing pro-Arab network
……Brit Hume is a front for David Duke
……Brit Hume has sold out to the Hollywood lefties
…… Fake! Fake! …… No source - No source ……
It'll be fun to watch! ……:-)
40 posted on 12/12/2001 1:29:09 AM PST by MACD
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Try here: Israeli Intelligence Agency (Mossad) warned CIA of attacks - CIA did not heed warning
47 posted on 12/12/2001 4:48:04 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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The US State Dept issued a warning on Sept 10. We got a copy of it here at the university to send to our overseas students.
48 posted on 12/12/2001 4:48:17 AM PST by AppyPappy
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"Blame Bush" has turned into "Blame the Israelis", I guess.
64 posted on 12/12/2001 5:47:33 AM PST by swampfox98
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Hell the CIA may have known about it. You don't think they planned that war in just a few weeks do you?

Now I don't know if Sept. 11th specifically was known, but they knew it was a matter of time before their lack of action would lead to attack and they had this war planned out and ready to go.

As far as Israel goes, the Mossad is highly expert and it's very plausible that they knew as well. But who knows?

67 posted on 12/12/2001 5:54:53 AM PST by NC_Libertarian
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