Posted on 12/10/2001 4:53:45 PM PST by Mighty Pen
Twelve Myths of Abortion
by Dr. Phil Stringer (Florida)
"The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life" (Job 33:4)
Men in rebellion against God often justify their actions with ideas and myths that stem from the imagination of their evil hearts (Romans 1:21; Proverbs 6:18). In the discussion of abortion, this mythology is clearly seen. Statements that are obviously untrue are repeated again and again as if the frequency of their utterance could give them credibility. When anyone attempts to question or examine these statements, he is attacked viciously, as if the viciousness of the attack could disprove the substance of the question. We will examine 12 of the many myths of abortion.
MYTH 1:
An unborn fetus is only a mass of tissue.
One pro-abortion pamphlet states, "A fetus is only a wad of cells adhering to the wall of a uterus -- until these cells free themselves and become independent."
Many young women take comfort in the idea that their abortions only deal with removing tissue cells like removing a tumor or dead skin. But upon what rational examination is this based? More than one young woman has reported coming out from under the anesthetic early to be shocked at seeing fingers, facial parts, arms, and legs being dumped in the trash. Even a casual examination of fetal development disproves this myth.
At conception, a new and totally different human being with 48 chromosomes (the same as any human) exists, having the capability of replacing his own dying cells.
On the 13th day, the fetus is one-fourth of an inch long with a brain, human
proportions, eyes, ears, mouth, kidney, liver, stomach, intestines, and a spinal cord and nervous system.
By the 18th day, a heart in its early stages of development has begun pumping its own blood.
At six and one-half weeks, the skeleton is complete, and the first movements are made. The two-month-old fetus attains the ability to grasp objects, swim, hiccup, suck his thumb, and wakes and sleeps with regularity.
At the 11th week stage, all body systems are formed and at work. The fetus now breathes, swallows, is sensitive to pain, and is an independent individual. Present systems will grow and mature, but nothing new will develop in the body.
The 16-week-old fetus has grown to five and one-half inches long. Toes and fingers have now formed, and facial features are clearly evident.
"Quickening" is first felt at 18 weeks as the fetus, now active and energetic, flexes its muscles, punches, and kicks.
By the 20th week, which represents the first half of the gestation period, babies are often born prematurely and alive.
By any standard, the unborn child is more than a tumor or a wad of tissue. If you simply believe in granting the "benefit of the doubt," abortion should be prohibited.
Every abortion stops a beating heart, ends the development of a unique DNA code, and sheds innocent blood.
If a baby is only a "wad of cells" at conception, what process turns it into more than a wad of cells?
MYTH 2:
An unborn fetus cannot feel pain.
There is an obvious question to be asked in response to this myth: How do you know?
Unborn babies obviously experience sensations, respond to outside stimuli, recognize familiar voices, etc. It is only reasonable to assume that some sensations of pain occur in their development, according to evidence gained by using ultra-sound and fiber-optic cameras. By four months of development, babies are frowning, moving their lips, and grasping with their hands.
When you consider the methods used to cause abortion, it is clear that they are all an assault on, and a shock to, and trace of a nervous system. There are eight techniques used for inducing abortions, depending on the stage of the childs growth in the womb. They are:
Suction aspiration
Dilatation and curettage
Dilatation and evacuation
Prostaglandin
Salt Poisoning
Hysterotomy
Partial-birth Abortion
Fetal Reproduction
Suction Aspiration
Suction aspiration abortion (or menstrual extraction if done early in pregnancy) is used in 95% of induced abortions. A powerful suction tube is inserted into the womb through the dilated cervix. This dismembers the body of the developing baby and tears the placenta from the uterus, sucking them into a container. These body parts are usually recognizable as arms, legs, the head, etc. Great care must be used to prevent the uterus from being punctured during this procedure. Uterine hemorrhage and infection can easily result if any fetal or placental tissue is left behind in the uterus.
Dilation and Curettage (D&C)
In this technique, the cervix is dilated or stretched to permit insertion of a loop-shaped steel knife in order to scrape the wall of the uterus. This cuts the babys body into pieces and cuts the placenta from the uterine wall. Bleeding is sometimes considerable.
This method is used primarily during the seventh to 12th weeks of pregnancy and should not be confused with therapeutic D&C, done with a blunt curette for reasons other than undesired pregnancy.
Dilation and Evacuation (D&E)
Used to remove a child from the womb who is as old as 18 weeks, this method is similar to the D&C. The difference is that forceps are used to grasp part of the developing baby who already has calcified bones. The parts must be twisted and torn away, the placenta sliced away, and bleeding is profuse.
Salt Poisoning
Otherwise known as "saline amniocentesis" or "salting out," this technique is used after 16 weeks of pregnancy, when enough fluid has accumulated in the amniotic fluid sac surrounding the baby.
A needle is inserted though the mothers abdomen directly into the sac, and a solution of concentrated salt is injected into it. The baby breathes in, swallowing the salt, and is thereby poisoned. After about an hour, the child dies. The mother usually goes into labor approximately a day later, delivering a dead, burned, and shriveled baby. This is the second most common method of inducing abortion. It is outlawed in Japan and other countries because of inherent risks to the mother.
Prostaglandin
Prostaglandin are hormones which assist the birth process. Injecting concentrations of them into the amniotic sac induces violent labor and premature birth of a child usually to young to survive. Oftentimes salt or another toxin is first injected to assure that the baby will be delivered dead, since some babies have trauma of prostaglandin birth at this stage, and have been delivered alive. This method is usually used during the second half of the pregnancy. A self-administered prostaglandin suppository is also being developed for first trimester abortion. Serious side-effects and complications from prostaglandin use, including cardiac arrest and rupture of the uterus can be unpredictable and very severe.
Hysterotomy
Similar to the Cesarean Section, this method is generally used if the salt poisoning or prostaglandin methods fail. Sometimes babies are born alive during this procedure which raises questions as to how and when the infants are killed and by whom. Some infants who are attended to after a hysterotomy have been known to survive and were subsequently accepted by their natural mothers, or placed in adoptive homes.
This method offers the highest risk to the health of the mother. The risk of mortality from hysterotomy is two times greater than risk from D&E.
Partial Birth Abortions
A partial-birth abortion is the killing of a baby seconds before birth. The abortionist turns the baby around and pulls the boy or girl out of the womb feet first. "Delivery" is stopped when just the top of the babys head is the only part of the baby still within the birth canal. The abortionist then uses scissors to puncture the back of the babys head at the base of the skull, inserts a suction tube and sucks the babys brains out. After the babys head is collapsed, "delivery" is completed.
In 1996 a federal law, the Partial-birth Abortion Act, to outlaw this inhumane, barbaric assassination of defenseless babies, was passed by Congress, but President Bill Clinton vetoed the measure saying that the mothers health was not considered. At full term, a normal birth would have much lower risk to the health of the mother. Efforts to override the Presidents veto have thus far consistently failed.
Who can guarantee that such barbaric practices do not cause the unborn baby any pain?
MYTH 3:
Only the government can determine personhood.
Besides being contrary to the Bible and all semblance of logic, this is obviously not what the Founders of our country had in mind.
The Preamble to the Constitution, the paragraph that describes why the Constitution was created, states the following:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
The Fifth Amendments says:
No personal shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law ....
The Declaration of Independence states:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The definition of posterity is "all future generations." To have future generations, we must have at some time persons in the making in embryo, in fetus, and in the child stage. If we do not, or if all of these middle phases can be legally eliminated, we will not have future generations, and we will have violated one of the basic tenets of the Constitution. The decision to deprive our Posterity of Life has been made without "assistance of counsel for his (her) defense" and is in direct violation of both the Fifth and Sixth Amendments.
Abraham Lincoln, referring to slavery, discussed how the Declaration of Independence must be applied to all men, or it could not be guaranteed for any man. He said:
This was their majestic interpretation of the economy of the Universe. This was their lofty, and wise, and noble understanding of the justice of the Creator to His creatures. Yes, gentlemen, to all His creatures, to the whole great family of man. In their enlightened belief, nothing stamped with the divine image and likeness was sent into the world to be trodden on .... They grasped not only the whole race of man then living, but they reached forward and seized upon the farthest posterity. They erected a beacon to guide their children and their childrens children, and the countless myriads who should inhabit the earth in other ages.
He warned also of the danger we would face if we closed our eyes to the value of life in any category of human beings:
I should like to know if taking this old Declaration of Independence, which declares that all men are equal upon principle, and making exceptions to it continues, where will it stop? If one man says it does not mean a Negro, why cannot another say it does not mean some other man?
No government can be trusted with defining personhood. No matter what the Nazi government said about the Jews, they were still persons. No matter what the United States Supreme Court of the last century said about Negroes, they are still persons. That mistake led to the American Civil War. No matter what the modern Supreme Court says about unborn babies, they are still persons.
MYTH 4:
The vast majority of Americans support abortion.
Many polls have been taken covering the abortion issue. The answers you get depend primarily on how you ask the questions. If you ask Americans if they want all abortions banned, a clear majority say no. Many Americans feel that pregnancy in the aftermath of rape, or when the mothers health is in danger, is legitimate. Much false information about these two situations exists. (Less than two percent of abortions are related to these causes.) However, if you ask Americans if they approve of abortion as a method of birth control, a clear majority also say no. If you ask Americans if they think that abortions should be taxpayer-funded, an overwhelming majority are clearly opposed.
The issue of public support, however, is a false one. If a majority of people supported slavery, would that make it right? If a majority wanted to practice genocide against the Jews, would that make it right?
Our Founders wanted some clear laws that would protect minorities from the whims of the majority. They clearly determined that protecting the "right to life" was one of the unalterable purposes of government. The right to life is not based upon a majority decision; it is a God-given right.
MYTH 5:
The abortion issue is simply an issued of reproductive freedom for women.
Reproductive freedom deals with the subject of conception. Once you have conceived a child, you have already reproduced yourself. The subject of abortion has to do with how we will treat babies after reproduction has already taken place. There is no specific reason to question that life begins at conception.
Mayo Clinic geneticist Hymie Gordon testified, "I have never encountered in my reading -- long before I became concerned with abortion, euthanasia, and so on -- anyone who has argued that life did not begin at the moment of conception ...." There has been no argument about these matters.
Micheline Matthew Roth, a medical school professor at Harvard said:
In biology and in medicine it is an accepted fact that the life of any individual organism reproducing by sexual reproduction begins at conception .... No experiments have disproved this finding. So, it is scientifically correct to say that an individual life begins at conception ... and that this developing human is always a member of our species in all stages of its life.
No matter how much mythology you may hear, this is not a womens freedom issue. Fully half of the babies aborted are women.
As the two popular bumper stickers put it: "Equal rights for unborn women" and "Abortion is the ultimate form of child abuse."
MYTH 6:
Abortion is a "separation of church and state" issue.
The myth is repeatedly quoted. The illogical premise is simply that, since opposition to abortion comes from religion, no law can be made restricting it. But religious principles also cause opposition to all other murders also. Religious principles also lead to the opposition of incest, child molesting, theft, rape, and violence. Does anyone suggest that laws restricting these activities are a violation of separation of church and state? People cry that you cannot legislate morality, but the laws against murder are legislating morality. The truth is, it is not Christians who are trying to oppose their will on others. The ultimate imposition of your will on other human begins is to dissect them or poison them and take away their right to life.
When liberals demand that everyone pay taxes to pay for other peoples abortions, they are trying to impose their will on other people. When they demand that everyone "donate" tax moneys to provide school clinics and counselors to promote abortion, they are trying to impose their religious convictions on society as a whole.
MYTH 7:
Women have a Constitutional right to abortion
During the discussion of the Human Life Amendment, the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights ran this text in an ad:
Right now the United States Senate is holding hearings on a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw abortion.
This effort, backed by a handful of Senators, seriously threatens the religious freedom of every American.
If they succeed, you will be forced to accept, as law, one narrow religious and moral belief -- even if it is not your own, your churchs, or your synagogues.
The Religious Coalition for Abortion rights of New York State represents most of the countrys major religions. We are organizations like the American Baptist Churches, NYS; the N.Y. Federation of Reform Synagogues; The Episcopal Church; the United Presbyterian Church, Synod of the Northeast; the United Church of Christ; and the United Methodist Church, whose positions on abortion you might not be aware of.
We believe abortion is an individual decision and, therefore, your God-given right. While we support a womans choice to become a mother, we also support her choice not to. But most importantly, we feel no religious group has the right to use the power of politics to impose their beliefs on you.
Yet this is precisely what the Constitutional Amendment would do. By outlawing abortion, it will rob you of the right to make your most personal decisions according to your own conscience.
By your support of the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights, we can work together to stop this small group from forcing you to practice what they preach.
Our countrys most cherished inalienable right is being threatened: Freedom.
Planned Parenthood has stated that the passing of a "Human Life Amendment" would be the first time a Constitutional right was ever taken from the American people.
But an obvious question remains unanswered: Where in the Constitution is the right to abortion even mentioned? To the contrary, our government was established to protect our right to life.
In order to support his pro-abortion Roe v. Wade decision, Justice Blackmum invented a "right to privacy" which is unmentioned in the Constitution and twisted it to refer to abortion. The "Constitutional right to abortion" exists only in a liberal fantasy world. It is only a product of their imaginations. It is found nowhere in the Constitution.
MYTH 8:
Abortion is too important a decision to be left up to the government.
In a free society, very few decisions are made by the government. The only legitimate roles for the government are protecting the nation from foreign invasion and protecting individuals from having force exerted against them.
However, abortion is the ultimate expression of force against a helpless individual. Who is to defend those that are helpless from aggressive life-threatening forces?
Cultures may be judged in many ways, but, ultimately, they will be judged by this: how did they treat the most helpless members of society?
Should it be a private decision whether or not to take a human life? Is child molestation too important a decision to be left up to the government? It should also be noted that abortions result in several potential health hazards for the mother.
Daniel J. Martin, clinical instructor at St. Louis University Medical School said, "The impact of abortion on the body of a woman who chooses abortion is great and always negative. I can think of no beneficial effect of a social abortion on a body."
Induce abortion is the premature, willful and violent penetration of a closed and safeguarded biological system. This unnatural medical procedure always exposes the mother to some risks. Unfortunately, the truth about these complications are often kept form the general public. The psychological aspects of abortion have devastated the lives of may women. Again, information about these potential damaging side-effects is normally kept from the general public.
MYTH 9:
Anti-abortionists do not really care what happens after the baby is born.
Former Clinton Administration Surgeon General Joceyln Elders has admonished conservatives to "get over their love affair with the fetus." This accusation is simply designed to keep the real issues from being examined.
It is the Christinan, conservative, and traditional movements that are building the programs that really help Americas children: schools that genuinely educate, adoption services, church childrens programs and, most importantly strong homes. These programs (most especially the home and family) are under attack from the new pagans. From home schools to church camps, the best interests of Americas children are being served by the same people who oppose abortion.
To many of the liberal crowd, the nations children form the test subjects for all kinds of social experiments. For Christian conservatives, proper care and training in child-rearing is one of mankinds highest callings.
MYTH 10:
Only pro-choice candidates can be elected to public office in America.
This myth has been around for 20 years in America and still continues to be repeated no matter now many times it is refuted.
Ronald Reagan was declared by many Democrats, most of the news media, and some liberal Republicans to be "unelectable" because of his pro-life stance. Yet he won in 1980 by a wide margin and was re-elected by a 49-state landslide in 1984. The charge was repeated against George Bush in 1988 and yet he was elected by a landslide. Only after the economy in America dipped into a recession did American voters reject his Presidency.
Pennsylvania Democratic governor Robert Casey was declared unelectable because he was pro-life; yet, he was elected in 1986 and reelected in 1990.
Polling data after the 1992 Presidential election demonstrated that among the few voters who voted primarily on the abortion issue a slight majority voted pro-life.
Even more striking evidence from the 1994 election disproves this myth. In the Congressional elections of 1994, not one pro-life incumbent was defeated, and 43 new pro-life candidates were elected! Americans have elected far more pro-life governors in recent elections, as well.
The sad truth, however, is that the abortion issue rarely decides election outcomes in America. Economic issues, foreign policy, and law-and-order issues influence far more elections than abortion.
MYTH 11:
Pro-life people routinely use violence and terrorism to promote their cause.
Ever since shootings have taken place outside several abortion clinics, tragically killing abortion clinic doctors and staff, this myth has been widely circulated and used as the basis for several laws restricting the free-speech rights of pro-life advocates.
The truth is just the opposite. For 20 years thousands of pro-life demonstrators have been subjected to acts of violence and abuse for exercising their religious convictions and practicing free speech. The following are four examples of what pro-life Christians regularly experience (usually unreported by the media):
One Missouri pro-abortion group called "Church Ladies for Choice" conducted a demonstration outside the Calvary Temple in St. Louis, banging drums and shouting obscenities, eventually assaulting police.
A pro-abortion mob beset the Evangelical Free Church in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, blocking access to the chapel, shouting obscenities, and vandalizing cars in the parking lot.
A Right to Life office in Gainesville, Florida, was fire-bombed by pro-abortion activists, with none of the publicity that attends assaults upon abortion clinics.
Alan Ross, co-owner of an abortion clinic in Gaithersburg, Maryland, was convicted of assault upon a pro-life activist. This was the second such conviction for Ross in less than three months.
MYTH 12:
Anti-abortion protestors are anti-women.
As anyone who has ever been involved in promoting life over abortion can testify, the clear majority of protestors are women. In fact groups like the National Right to Life and Concerned Women for America have far more female members than does the liberal pro-abortion National Organization for Women. Finally, half of the babies these concerned Christians are trying to save are females.
Dr. Phil Stringer is Executive Vice President of Landmark Baptist College, Haines City, Florida.
Since when does analogy require equality?
The idea that parents have the right to kill their children (how they are dealt with, as you put it) is absurd from any perspective. Certainly it is not a libertarian perspective.
The idea that the government shouldn't have the power to defend individual rights and allowing them that power will lead to the government forcing people to kill their children is one of the most absurd statements I have ever heard.
Not anit-abortionists, (I am anti-abortion), but pro-government-enforcement of anti-abortion morality folks really do not care what happens after the baby is born. They are not really concerned if the baby will be beaten or abused, if it will become the next Charles Manson, or serial killer, or simply die of neglect because the mother hates the baby she was forced to bear.
You seem to be treading close to a logical fallacy here (affirming the consequent). Even if your premise is true (which I do not admit), it does not undermine the pro-life position. Basing the right to abortion on demand upon an unproven premise is insufficient. Whether or not a child will come to harm or grow up to do evil cannot be shown a priori in particular cases, and thus cannot be extended to provide a moral foundation for a general practice that we as a people are asked to sanction. Further, even if a person or group is shown not to care about a postulated future event or happenstance, it is insufficient moral justification for the proactive killing of innocent persons. It might be proven that I dont care whether or not my neighbors kids may starve next week, but that does not invalidate my stand against some else coming in to murder them today.
A child is the "property" of its parents until such time it is capable of exsting on its own. (This only means it is the property of the parents, rather than the state. This does not mean the parents may treat children as if they were not human beings, and, morally, parents are obligated to do everything in their power to nurture and support their children.) It is not the business of the state to interfere in the relationship between parent and child. Christians who seek the state's interference in this relationship will ultimately see it used against them.
You talk a lot about property here, but flinch a little bit further down by hedging your bets, talking about obligation to nurture and support them, and to treat them as human beings. Well, if we take your hedging statements literally, would we include under the umbrella of treating them as human beings the obligation not to tear them limb from limb when in their mothers womb, or not burn their skin off with a concentrated salt solution? Further, nurture and support would also likely include avoiding infliction of intentional harm, such as those actions noted above.
But, if we are truly talking about only property here, why should there be any such restrictions? Why not let anything go? If the kids are inconvenient, just get rid of them like you would any other property? Sadly, we are seeing today the fruits of such thinking, with young parents throwing their newborns in dumpsters, or flushing them down toilets, then heading back to the prom to dance the night away. Is that the kind of property rights society we want? Note: the pain and suffereing argument has already been invalidated by your coma argument further up. Parents can still do away with their kids and not inflict pain, just knock them out first, or kill them while they are asleep.
There is legal precedent for regarding children as more than property. Courts have established that children do have inalienable rights of their own, by virtue of their being individuated persons. They may not have all the privileges of adulthood until certain milestones are reached, but basic rights and protections under the law have always been recognized in modern legal theory.
Finally, I will disagree with your first comment about birth as being the point in time where the wad of cells attains personhood, or humanity, or whatever you want to call it. Birth certainly is a significant event in the continuum of life, but hardly the defining one. Here is a concrete example (not a strawman). I was privileged to attend the birth of my son via c-section. As he was removed from his mothers body, I was able to see him as he was, before and after delivery. Clearly, nothing intrinsic about the child had changed, just his location. He was still the same individual from moment to moment, just his physical circumstance had changed.
In the end, it isnt a question of where you are or what you look like, but what you are. He question is not what you look like, or where you happen to be living, or if you have some attachments of tissue to your body or not, but what is your essence. In this case, a human being, before and after being born.
Hank,
What is it about birth that makes the child a person, and can you state your answer in such a way to protect all individual persons from being at risk of losing their personhood?
The argument that if government can stop abortion, it can force abortion is not upheld by the laws that allow government to stop murder of post-natal humans or slavery of post-natal humans.
Children, like other humans, are not the property of any other human in our country. Parents can not legally conspire with others to intentionally and electively kill their born children. Parents do have the responsibility to protect and raise their children, however, and have certain rights to control the child in order to carry out their responsibility. I think you should read the history of philosophy concerning the special relationship between parents and their children.
Thats boloney. The governments objective as far as abortion goes should be protecting life. Thats it. How you contrive giving our government the power to defend life into some delusional nightmare of Chinese forced abortion in America is beyond me.
Some of us stand reasoning behind our beliefs. Yours don't wash.
I suppose your a libertarian? (I say this because your posts seem to be both anti- government and morally bankrupt.) You may have covered this in a previous post but what do you think of the USSS overturning Roe V. Wade?
You, "Christians," have no power today becasue you have swapped the power of your God and prayer for the power of guns and government. You have made the wrong choice, and will pay for it.
Swapped the power of your G-d for the power of GUNS and government?
Maybe your not a libertarian.
Birth.
This is obviously not a scientific or medical statement. Most doctors will agree that the causes triggering labor are not very well known, but that the labor does not change the physiological or biological makeup of the child in any way. One could argue that the as yet undiscovered change in the child that transforms it from a blob of tissue into a human being causes the mother to go into labor, but it makes no sense whatsoever to argue that the mother going into labor causes this as yet undiscovered change.
If this answer falls apart for no other reason, it falls apart for the reason that babies are born at vastly different gestational ages. In some circumstances, abortion even results in a living child. Would you amend your answer to say 'birth and abortion'? Good luck with that one.
Shalom.
Just so, and the power in question here is the power of men to enslave women as objects of sexual self-satisfaction. The most amazing part of this whole abortion thing is that it exists so men can have their way with women without the entanglement of fatherhood, yet it has been sold to the women as a right they must defend at all costs. If I understood how this sick notion has been sold to women I would work on convincing Bill Gates that it is his constitutional right to give his entire fortune to me and that he should do everything in his power to stop people from infringing on that right.
Shalom.
Just to emphasize the point of the motives of the two camps (pro-abortion and anti-abortion), has anyone ever gone into Planned Parenthood and asked for help in having a baby? Will they even refer you to a fertility clinic? Will they even help you get medical care for the mother and child? Will they do anything other than laugh you out of the place?
On the other hand, most people who go into a CareNet or BirthRight center who announce they are abortion minded get all the love and assistance they could ask for - except a referral to an abortionist. They can even return after an abortion for help in dealing with the result if they so desire. If she decides against the abortion they will be with her until long after the child is born, making sure she has everything she needs.
Shalom.
I will answer if you will answer this. Suppose you met a five-year-old child on the street that you know would become the next Hitler or Charles Manson. Wouldn't you insist on him not being shot in the head on sight - even knowing that?
I would insist that the child not be aborted - even if I believed the child would grow up to rape and murder my daughter.
Shalom.
This is a very good point and I have often thought about it, and would like to see it brought out more often in the abortion debate, particularly where men are vehemently arguing the pro-abortion side. Women have been royally bamboozled on this aspect of the issue.
As anecdotal evidence, I recall one of our students was kind of a feminist and pro-abortion. She knew I was pro-life and we had any number of discussions about this. She mentioned another student (male) who was fully supportive of her pro-abortion position and of how wonderful that was. I managed to engage him on this topic and near the end of the discussion he made a comment about how he was in favor of abortion because if he ever got a woman pregnant it was "easier" for him to pay for her abortion than to take care of her and "her kid". I mentioned this to the lady the next time the opportunity presented itself. Her reactions were many and varied, but supportive of the guy who made the remark was not among them.
Questioning/attacking motives is not generally a sufficient refutation of an argument and I do not offer it here as such. But, it is sometimes interesting (and illuminating) to consider them as an aside.
If I may, I'd like to offer a suggestion on how you can bring it up without having to know a pro-abortion man to discuss this with.
Ask the woman how she feels about a male abortion. She will ask you what that is. Tell her that you think it's unfair that only the woman's reproductive freedom is considered in the current abortion environment, but not the man's. Assure her that you don't want to force abortion on women, but that men who don't want to be fathers should have that choice. Tell her of a law to allow a man to file a paper with the local government that makes the child aborted in his eyes. For him, the child was aborted and does not exist. He renounces all rights of paternity, such as visitation or asking the kid to take care of him in his old age. But he also renounces any responsibility. No child support, no college shakedown, etc. He can file that paper at any time when it would be legal for the woman to get an abortion. Make sure she knows that he isn't actually killing the child, just removing it from his life.
You'd be amazed at how pro-life a woman's arguments become when she tries to convince you that idea is unfair.
Shalom.
---a reference to the Holocaust by Franz Stangl, Nazi commandant of extermination camps in Sobibor (March, 1942 -September, 1942) and Treblinka (September, 1942 - August, 1943).
Interviewed by Gitta Sereny in 1970, Stangl's comments later appeared in the book Into That Darkness: An Examination of Conscience (1983).
I'm in favor of a post-Roe Human Life Amendment. En route to that, there will need to be incremental measures put into place by law. A ban on partial-birth abortion, parental consent for minors, defunding Planned Parenthood, keeping the proposed "clinics" out of public schools...and V4F.
V4F is, in tandem with science and sympathy in favor of the prenatal baby. V4F offers a visible protagonist (the father), who is closely connected to the situation at hand.
It obliterates the "every child a wanted child" argument. Under V4F, every child is wanted, and supported, by the father.
It blows the myth of abortion being a "woman's issue". So long as pro-lifers are silent on V4F, abortion will be considered by the public-at-large a "woman's issue". As such, on some level, people will say, "Well, so long as abortions aren't forced..."
Many, many women subscribe to the NIMBY principle, saying that they would not personally have an abortion, but wouldn't stop others...V4F exposes the gyncentricity of this position.
I would pose to pro-lifers the following: the pro-life movement has failed in the courts and legislatures for 30 years. They have failed to endorse or even acknowledge the V4F position for 30 years. Society has paid the price for this twinned set of failures, and they are twinned. Abortion will never end, and a Human Life Amendment will never come about, until V4F is endorsed by the pro-life movement. It takes two to make a baby, but so long as pro-lifers are silent about one of those two, the father, it will appear that only one person was involved in conception, and that therefor the product of conception is the province of one person only. Keeping fathers/V4F out of the picture undermines the personhood of the prenatal baby for these reasons. It is not baby's rights vs. father's rights. It is that after 30 years of colossal failure by the pro-life movement's no-father approach, the baby's personhood needs to be endorsed by a visible, immediately involved protagonist: the father.
Pro-lifers refuse to engage this issue. All manner of red herrings are thrown out: well, the father was probably some irresponsible jerk, or somehow V4F would lead to C4M (when actually they are opposites), etc. etc.
Pro-lifers refuse to wake-up and endorse this issue.
And this is why we fail.
Sign me up.
But, if a father signs the veto, the paperwork must make it very clear what his parental responsibilities are. He must understand that he's allowing the mother to completely drop out of the child's life and he will bear the entire burden himself.
I would sign such a declaration in a heartbeat if I were ever in that situation.
Shalom.
God Bless.
Merry Christmas!
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