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On the Day I Die
Wolfe's Lodge ^ | Deborah Marie Pulaski

Posted on 12/10/2001 10:27:30 AM PST by Sir Gawain

Deborah Marie Pulaski, mother and freedom fighter, died November 19, 1997, age 54.
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On the Day I Die

By Deborah Marie Pulaski
As told to Claire Wolfe


This week I learned I'm dying. Of course I've always known, in the everyday, human sense, that I was going to die. But this week I learned I am going to die "soon." In a year or so at most, I won't be on this planet. No more breathing. No more Zinfandel or chocolate cake. No hugs. No sorrows. I won't ever again have to worry whether there's a run in my stocking when I go to a meeting with the boss, or whether I remembered to send a birthday card to my best friend's husband.

It's a peculiar thought, looking at my own death, so close. But you know, it isn't a bad thought, all things considered.

I'm 53 years old. That isn't old. I might have had another 30 years, if one little cell hadn't decided to start mutating out of control a while back. But 53 is old enough to have lived a good life. It's long enough to have become a full person, without all those "who am I's" and "what do I want to do with my life's" that make youth so over-rated.

It's enough time to have loved -- both in the frantic, desperate way of being young, and in the comfortable way of being an adult. That's been an amazing, and a very happy, transition.

But I don't want to talk about love. I want to talk about freedom.

Well, I guess that means I *do* want to talk about love. Because I love freedom more than I love anything. Really, more than I ever loved my husband. Even more than I love my kids -- and I think they'll understand and forgive me for saying so, even though that statement might require a little more explaining for strangers who might be reading this.

I have to say it again. I love freedom more than I love anything. More than I ever loved anything. And that's what makes the thought of dying so bitter, and at the same time, so welcome.

I guess that idea is going to take some explaining, too. Claire, tell them about me. I've never been able to write, or even talk all that well about things that matter to me. So you tell people what kind of person I am. Make them understand.

I've always been a political junky. You know me. Like some women shop, I do politics. No, that isn't putting it right. Not at all. I do politics...I guess I'd better say I used to do politics...because I couldn't stand still and let "them" take away our world. You know, the types who aren't happy unless they're running other people's lives.

When I ran into a neighbor, co-worker or family member like that, I could just say, "Sayonara, Baby" and avoid them. But the people who really got to me were the ones who wanted to make endless rules for the whole country, the whole world, and make everybody else obey them. Just obey, all the time.

I swear, you know, that these people don't even care what the particular rules are. They just like making and enforcing rules "because." For the power. For the control. For their other powerful, controlling friends. So they can all feel important and be in charge.

So I always had to try to stop those people. But there wasn't any stopping them. I found that out.

God, I wish I were a writer like you or a great orator or a wizard about the law or something like that. I wish I could have done something big during my life. But you know me, I was never anything but a little precinct worker, a drone, a little deputy voter registrar, doorbeller, meeting attender, envelope licker. One of those women you see in every campaign and every organization, never getting noticed and never particularly wanting to be. Just wanting to make the world freer -- or at least keep a little bit of the world away from the people who want to make it less free.

It was really kind of stupid, looking back on it, because nearly all of the people who said they believed in freedom turned around and, once they got in office, acted exactly like the other guys. They didn't really want less government and more freedom. They just wanted to be the ones in control. But I just had to try, didn't I? Anyway, I did try. Just about all my life.

God, that expression "just about all my life" has a different ring all of a sudden. It really has been just about "all" my life. Will be just about all my life.


I wanted freedom so much. I wanted it just so that I and my kids could live an ordinary life. Making a living. Paying our way. Doing what we wanted to do, within the bounds of polite behavior to our neighbors. Just to live, without being ordered around, threatened or tangled up in red tape every time we tried to do something. I didn't have any spectacular ambitions. I just wanted to be let alone to live a peaceful life.

I have two daughters, you know. They're both in their early 20s right now. The youngest one, Edyie, was always a dreamer. She had all the ideas and ambitions I didn't dare to have. I remember, as a little kid, she swore she was going to go live on Venus someday. Then, when she learned Venus was really this awful place, she pouted for about two days, then switched to Mars. She figured we could colonize Mars. I don't know whether that's realistic or not, but I always wanted to see Edyie get the chance to try, if that's what she wanted to do. I wanted her to have the chance to try anything her wild little imagination could dream up. Maybe she'd fail. But maybe she'd succeed. And isn't that what keeps the human race moving? Edyie, impossible though she can be at times, is the kind of person who keeps the human race from sitting on its dead butt, getting nowhere.

But Edyie isn't going to have the chance, unless something comes out of the blue to turn things around. Edyie's never going to get to Mars. Heck, she isn't even going to get a chance to build a little earthbound business because she's too independent to jump through all the hoops the government requires. Yeah, I can just see my Edyie filling out forms in triplicate, collecting taxes from her employees and begging for government licenses -- NOT! She isn't going to get a chance to make many personal choices -- beyond what brand of soap or TV to buy -- because our choices are being limited day by day, and everywhere you turn, you run into something illegal. Maybe even something that was legal yesterday, but is illegal today, thanks to some regulation nobody ever heard of. She just won't put up with that -- but I don't know what she'll do instead.

I used to dream, as I worked on all those campaigns, that someday I'd win back the right for Edyie to have the risky, but hope-filled future she craved. When I thought about dying, someday, it was with regret that I might not live to see Edyie go to Mars or to accomplish whatever other big thing she wanted to do.

But now I don't have any of those regrets, because it isn't going to happen.


Even three years ago, I wouldn't have said that. I'd still have said, "Darnit, there's hope. Freedom is just common sense. We'll win." But some of the things that have happened in the last couple of years make that all different. No, don't say "things that have happened." They didn't just *happen*. People in government did them to us. On purpose.

In the last couple of years, they finally did what they'd been moving toward for a long time. They passed the laws that just plain make us slaves.

They did it, and hardly anybody's even talking about it. That's what amazes me. For one thing, they passed a law that makes our driver's licenses into national ID cards. They're doing it right now, while we sit here talking. A year or two after I'm gone, all you people who are left are all going to have to carry around cards with all your numbers and fingerprints and retinal scans and "personal data" coded on them. The law says so. You won't be able to cash a check or get a passport without supplying your "biometric data" to the government or the bank. I thought it was some big conspiracy story when I first heard it. But it's true and it's happening. And where are all the people screaming to stop it?

And they've now got this database that everybody who gets a job gets put into. Some national database in some big stone building in Washington where they'll know where everybody works, all the time. They said it was to track "deadbeat dads." Yeah. Then why are they going to put Edyie and my other daughter Pat and everybody else into it? Since when are they, or you, or I "deadbeat dads"?

Along these same lines, they've even got what they call "pilot programs" to make people get permission from the federal government *before* they can get jobs. Employers in these "pilot programs" have to get scanners to let the federal government check people's Social Security numbers before they can hire anybody. Isn't that just great? Some bureaucrat in the Social Security Administration or someplace gets to decide whether you can work or not.

And this other database. All your medical records are going to go into some other big, stone building in Washington. That's going to be on line about the time I go, too. Any old bureaucrat who wants to look at them can see them. You can't, of course. But they can.

All this stuff is real. It's not in some novel about the future or in some right-wingy pamphlet. It's in the law. It's in America. Right now. They did it all in the last couple of years. Mostly by sneaking a paragraph or a page into bigger laws when nobody was looking.

And what's all this about? Is it really to help "welfare moms" or to keep illegal immigrants from taking other people's jobs? Oh, c'mon! This is about one thing. It's about slavery.

They give you a citizen registration number shortly after birth. As soon as you get old enough to start moving around, doing things and making decisions on your own, they make sure that they're in a position to know every move you make, to record every transaction, to examine your whole life's record any time some bureaucrat gets curious. They not only want to know where you are at any given moment -- where you're working and living and banking -- but to make sure you can't work someplace if they don't want you to.

And they even want to be able to check up on your health. That one seems especially silly. I mean, why should some bureaucrat in Washington give a hoot about how some woman's pregnancy is going, or whether some man is boozing it up a bit more than he should? Or whether a middle-aged lady is dying of cancer or not? What business is it of theirs, and why should they even want to bother? But it makes sense when you realize what they're really doing. After all, if you own animals, of course you want to make sure your property has got all its vaccinations, is producing healthy offspring, and isn't being overfed or something.

It's just like a modern-day farmer, keeping track of his cows or pigs on his computer. You want to know they're healthy and whether they're producing as much as they can for you. So you track them. Track everything about them. They belong to you, after all. If you're a kindly, efficient farmer, of course you want to watch over your livestock.

There've been a lot of bad laws passed in my lifetime, Claire. Sometimes I thought, "This is just the worst, the worst. It can't get any more horrible than this." But these laws, that authorized all this tracking, are really the final thing. They're the declaration that the people in Washington own us. That's all. They're plain and simply saying we're their property.

There are going to be a lot more bad laws, yeah. Really bad ones that will follow these and will be possible because of these. But before this, the bad laws were passed against free people. After this, the laws are passed to control slaves.


Neither of my girls has children yet. Like every mother, I always wanted them to get going and do it, you know. I wanted my grandbabies! Now! Believe me, I had to bite my lip a lot to keep from nagging them about it, like some mothers do.

But to be absolutely honest, now I wish neither one of them would have children. I don't think Edyie will. We've talked about this. She's a lot like me in some ways, and I think she won't bring a child into a country like this one is becoming.

Now my other daughter -- we always called her Practical Patty -- probably will have children someday. I've kind of given Patty short shrift in talking about all this. She was the sort of daughter who never gave any trouble and was more interested in doing well in band and glee club than in thinking about all the *heavy* things. Her big dreams were just of having a nice little job someday, then getting married to a decent sort of guy, having a nice house and, yeah, children. So all this won't affect Patty as much as it will Edyie, or as much as it would have affected me if I'd have lived to see it all come to fruition. To Patty's mind, it isn't "sensible" to worry about things like this.

So Patty will have children, and I can only hope that at least their lives will be comfortable, if they can't be free. Maybe they'll be well-fed, well-cared-for little citizens. And maybe I should hope they turn out to be the kind of people who don't think or question too much. Because if they're the other kind -- like me or Edyie -- their lives will be miserable.

The next step, you know, after getting ownership of your slaves or cows is to punish or cull out the ones that don't fit the mold...that make trouble, or that don't produce the way you want them to. If you aren't "nice," the Social Security Administration can just "lose" your records, or the health care people can just diddle your medical history around so you look like a mental case. Then they can "help" you to death. So I guess for that reason, I should hope those grandbabies I won't live to see are quiet, obedient sheep.

But damnit, if there are grandbabies, I hope they'll be as stubborn and freethinking as their Aunt Edyie, and that they'll find a better way of fighting for freedom than their Grandma Deb ever could. Let their lives be worth something deep and true, not just the "worth" of good livestock or laborers. If they fight, maybe they won't live happily or long. But if they have to live at all, I hope those little kids live bravely, in spite of all the odds against them. The poor souls.

Do you remember the hymn, "The Old Rugged Cross"? It's been on my mind a lot since I got the verdict. When I was little, I thought it was such a beautiful song. I knew it was partly about dying, and about being at peace in dying because of the singer's beliefs, but I didn't completely understand it.

There was this line, "Till my trophies at last I lay down." I knew it meant "when I die." But since I didn't have any "trophies" and couldn't figure out what giving up awards had to do with dying, I put my own little girl interpretation on it. I figured the word had to be "trophis," and that it was some fancy, adult word meaning "body." Well, Claire, I'll tell you. In a year or so, when I lay this middle-aged "trophis" down for the last time, I won't have any regrets for myself. On the day I die, I'll be able to say I've done all I could. I tried, even though most of what I did turned out to be misguided and ineffective. And even though I'd try something different -- and a lot less "nice" -- if I could do it over again, I won't regret leaving the world the politicians just created. I don't want to see it. I don't want to live in it.

But my grandbabies will be born as slaves. And oh God, I regret that. And I regret not being around to protect them.

© 1997 Deborah Marie Pulaski and Claire Wolfe. This article may be reprinted for non-commercial purposes, as long as it is reprinted in full with no content changes whatsoever, and is accompanied by this credit line. The article may not be re-titled, edited or excerpted (beyond the limits of the fair use doctrine) without the written permission of the author. For-profit publications will be expected to pay a nominal reprint fee.


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To: gaijin
gaijin - Is this really you?
141 posted on 12/11/2001 4:59:36 PM PST by Exit148
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To: Sabertooth
I'm not sure why you flagged me at #130, since it doesn't seem to quote me.

To save time.

I find her bleak and unbalanced outlook to be a turn-off.
It isn't really tempered with hope and light to any degree, is it?

I didn't find her unbalanced. And exactly what hope would you have put into this article, keeping in mind she chose to limit THIS particular letter to freedom? And please note, this woman died in November of 1997. In her position, having given so much of her time to raising her children and trying to make her children's future hopes in this country better?
Look at what goes on in Washington DC daily. Please point out where you see the hope? And I'm not talking about the touchy feely content of speeches. But the hard reality of facts. GWB's heart is good, I believe, but our government has expanded in ways we would not have believed possible 4 months ago. And she didn't even see Clinton out of office. How was your handle on hope in '97, even with the thought of MANY years ahead of you?

Now she's an atheist?!

I didn't say that, I said the article gives me a hint of what it's like at an atheist's bedside

A man who writes sonnets as you do knows very well the power and ability of a word or phrase to convey a clear message. You may not have said it in exact terms, but, as usual the meaning rang clear.

Then all she did was complain about the physical and the secular. Given that context, and the absence of any spiritual sense of Eternity beyond the physical, or any sense of gratitude for the good things she actually did have, don't you find her sense of priorities a bit odd?

No, because she stated what her article was about at the very start. If you had expected it to be a spiritual piece you had a chance to stop reading when she states this letter's purpose. Where does it state in it that this is her complete and total view of her life's total worth.

I had someone I loved very much die, with prior knowledge of that fact. He wrote me several letters. Each about different thoughts on different subjects. It was the totality of them that expressed the whole person.

Look at this statement:

Yes let's. But in all fairness, may I have a turn at adding the emphasis?

But I don't want to talk about love. I want to talk about freedom.

Well, I guess that means I *do* want to talk about love. Because I love freedom more than I love anything. Really, more than I ever loved my husband. Even more than I love my kids -- and I think they'll understand and forgive me for saying so, even though that statement might require a little more explaining for strangers who might be reading this.

I have to say it again. I love freedom more than I love anything. More than I ever loved anything. And that's what makes the thought of dying so bitter, and at the same time, so welcome.

Maybe it is just me, but that last emphasis leads me to believe her a spiritual person. In death we gain true freedom, at last.

Would I give up my freedom for the sake of my child? Of course I would, because I love my child more than my freedom. She doesn't. Her words, not mine.

And where does she state "I would not give up my freedom for my child."

And look at your statement. You would give up your freedom for your child. Would you? Take it out of the context of being faced with a situation of your freedom or her life at stake. No one is taking a child and saying "Unless you give up your freedom we will kill your child. " or "she will lose all of her freedoms". But why are you on this forum? Isn't it to watch and guard what you believe to be the chances of government taking freedoms from you that will make this nation worse for the next generation?

What does "guardians of the Constitution" mean to you? To me it means NOT being someone that will give up her freedom precisely for the sake of the future.

Loving freedom IS loving her husband and her children. Not everyone has your gift of words. I believe she even mentioned the fact she lacked it in this letter. Agreed, she could have expressed that better.

And as for this:

But to be absolutely honest, now I wish neither one of them would have children. I don't think Edyie will. We've talked about this. She's a lot like me in some ways, and I think she won't bring a child into a country like this one is becoming.

I don't have time to look and this post is already too long, but I have read Bible verses (it may be Mark 13) stating that one should hope, even pray, not to be with child when troubles come upon the earth. (This thought has crossed my mind as well. Does that make me an atheist or less loving? )There are many who believe the end is drawing near. Maybe you're not one of them, maybe she's not. But I think the rest of her statements may back up the suggestion she did. And to say she wished her daughter barren is unbalanced itself. I'll bet she wished her daughter could have many children born to enjoy true freedom, instead of what this country appeared to be heading for in 1997.

142 posted on 12/11/2001 5:09:17 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl
Good for you, standing up against such feculent arguments as those being espoused by certain disruptors...

It suffices to say their behavior is tacky, at the very least.

Juvenile, however, would be more accurate.

Some people don't know how to read an article, take the good from it, and walk away, without attempting to turn the whole discussion on its' ear with nonsensical arguments, accusations and downright stupidity. I simply can't understand how these people can (in good conscience) even post on a thread such as this.

In fairness, I've been known to shoot a flame or two, when I felt it warranted... But in this case, stick to your guns, susan.

You're absolutely right. And to point out the error of their ways to them, in a polite manner (far more than they deserve) is classy.

FReegards to you, lady

143 posted on 12/11/2001 5:23:15 PM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: Capitalist Eric
Thank you for the boost, kind sir.
144 posted on 12/11/2001 6:16:23 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: sistergoldenhair
ping for a frame of reference
145 posted on 12/11/2001 6:26:53 PM PST by facedown
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To: Twodees
Thanks for setting me straight and telling me I'm not a conservative.I didn't know it, but deep down, I must be a lefty after, cause you say so.And my envy of you is so palpable that it leaps off the page, too? Damn, you're a prankster at heart, not just a crank.Thanks for the laugh, I enjoyed it.
146 posted on 12/11/2001 6:41:32 PM PST by habs4ever
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To: susangirl
Angel, you have freepmail waitin'.
147 posted on 12/11/2001 6:51:24 PM PST by imus63
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To: Sabertooth
Excellent post, Saber. Thank you!
148 posted on 12/11/2001 6:58:13 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: MadameAxe
I'm sorry MadameAxe that my little joke didn't have the effect that I intended. I hope we meet again under better circumstances.
149 posted on 12/11/2001 6:59:58 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: susangirl
Thank you for your post, Susan. I appreciate your different point of view and your civilized manner. However, we are in disagreement.

The underlined are your words, not hers.

That's correct. Only the ones under quotation marks are hers. If you notice carefully the quotation mark starts, here:

". . . I hope they'll be as stubborn and freethinking as their Aunt Edyie. Let their lives be worth something deep and true, not just the 'worth' of good livestock or laborers."

So the statement before that, is mine:

But Pat will have children… and oh my God! Let's hope they are at least like their aunt Edyie please Lord, don't let them be like their mother.

Yes, IMO there is an underlying contempt against her daughter Pat. Pat is mentioned half way down the article as opposed to Edyie "I have two daughters, you know. They're both in their early 20s right now. The youngest one, Edyie, was always a dreamer." From that moment on, she only talks about Edyie and her dreams and aspirations. As I was reading the article I asked myself… how about the other daughter, didn't she say she had two daughters?

Later in the article half way down to the end, she mentioned Pat in this context:

Now my other daughter -- we always called her Practical Patty -- probably will have children someday. I've kind of given Patty short shrift in talking about all this. She was the sort of daughter who never gave any trouble and was more interested in doing well in band and glee club than in thinking about all the *heavy* things. Her big dreams were just of having a nice little job someday, then getting married to a decent sort of guy, having a nice house and, yeah, children. So all this won't affect Patty as much as it will Edyie, or as much as it would have affected me if I'd have lived to see it all come to fruition. To Patty's mind, it isn't "sensible" to worry about things like this.

This is where we differ… I see not only a condescending attitude toward the one who wants an ordinary life, but I also see sarcasm as well.

So Patty will have children, and I can only hope that at least their lives will be comfortable, if they can't be free. Maybe they'll be well-fed, well-cared-for little citizens. And maybe I should hope they turn out to be the kind of people who don't think or question too much. Because if they're the other kind -- like me or Edyie -- their lives will be miserable.

Again there is sarcasm and condescension in that statement. We are Free, there hasn't been slavery in this country since the time of Abraham Lincoln. Who is she referring to when she said that, maybe they'd be well fed, well cared-for little citizens? Does she mean the government? I thought she wanted "freedom" from THEM.

Being stubborn and freethinking does not exclude being a nurturing mother and wife.

From Deb's words:

But I don't want to talk about love. I want to talk about freedom.

Well, I guess that means I *do* want to talk about love. Because I love freedom more than I love anything. Really, more than I ever loved my husband. Even more than I love my kids

I have to say it again. I love freedom more than I love anything. More than I ever loved anything. And that's what makes the thought of dying so bitter, and at the same time, so welcome.

In this Country we have the freedom to do what we want and to become what we want, ask Rush Limbaugh, Bill Gates, the commie Ted Turner and his commie wife Jane Fonda, ask anyone who made it, and they will tell you so.

Yes, I don't agree with all those government programs and all their rules and regulations and the PC impositions that go along with it. However, to say that we are slaves is not a fact.

I respect your opinion and I just hope you respect mine.

150 posted on 12/11/2001 7:12:46 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Twodees
It's insufferably snide of you to paint the woman as a loser.

You've got that wrong, again. Let's put it into context shall we?

To: William Wallace

So libertarians value freedom, but not the freedom to disagree with libertarians?
I will defend to the death your right to be a tacky jackass.
79 posted on 12/11/01 12:52 PM Pacific by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage

I will defend to the death your right to be a tacky jackass.
Great, if I ever decide to become a libertarian, I'll count on your support.
81 posted on 12/11/01 12:58 PM Pacific by William Wallace
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To: William Wallace; sirgawain

The winners in life think constantly in terms of I can, I will, and I am. Losers, on the other hand, concentrate their thoughts on what they should have done, or what they don't do.
-- Denis Waitley
85 posted on 12/11/01 1:05 PM Pacific by Victoria Delsoul
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My post 85 was in response to the unwarranted attacks on us by people like you and others. By the way, you accused William Wallace of trashy behavior, yet you don't mind insulting me:

To: William Wallace

Oh, that excuses everything. Trashy behavior isn't excused by wrongheaded defense of a lady, son. Use the same tactic on this thread if you like. Cruiser got his wings clipped for doing it, so you can be next if you like.
132 posted on 12/11/01 4:20 PM Pacific by Twodees
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Let's see what trashy behavior is:

To: Victoria Delsoul

That response is a much sadder commentary on you than it is on the lady who told her story there. Enjoy your snooze, Miz Vicky. We'll try not to wake you any more.
94 posted on 12/11/01 1:19 PM Pacific by Twodees
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Maybe you are the one who needs to get his wings clipped!

151 posted on 12/11/2001 7:23:57 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Hi Victoria. Thank you, as well. :-)

That's correct. Only the ones under quotation marks are hers. If you notice carefully the quotation mark starts, here:

Yes, I noticed that. I was simply clarifying because of the other emphasis I added.

For the other comments I will only direct you to my post #142, if you have the time. I really have nothing more to add to it.

In this Country we have the freedom to do what we want and to become what we want...However, to say that we are slaves is not a fact.

I wish I could agree, I really do.

Here's is an article I just left. Property Rights is not just a Western problem

It, as well as the book linked on my profile page, and many other realities of life contradict your statement.

I'm afraid we must respectfully agree to disagree on this one. FRegards.

152 posted on 12/11/2001 7:26:28 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl
I'll be glad to check your link, Susan. Thanks for responding. Well, I guess we can't agree in everything. :-)
153 posted on 12/11/2001 7:32:21 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: susangirl
in = on
154 posted on 12/11/2001 7:34:07 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Well, I guess we can't agree in everything.

Civilized debate is a good thing. :-)

155 posted on 12/11/2001 7:37:23 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl
May I refer you, sir, to your post #59. Please re-read it with these words of yours in mind.

No personal attacks means don't attack other posters. If it meant don't attack the subject of an article, then everyone in FR would be in breach of the rules, including JimRob, since all of us have attacked Clinton, Gore et al at least once on this forum.

If someone posts an article about Andrea Yates and I call her a murderer because she drowned her kids, according to your logic, I'm guilty of a personal attack. But if another FReeper calls me and others a bunch of names that have no basis in fact, you think that's permitted.

Funny how you didn't say anything to the people who actually initiated the personal attacks on this thread.

156 posted on 12/11/2001 7:41:04 PM PST by William Wallace
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To: Twodees
Trashy behavior isn't excused by wrongheaded defense of a lady, son.

You have no standing to lecture anyone else on manners. The first time I responded to you was after you made four posts at the end of a thread, consisting of four personal attacks on a historical thread.

At least when I reacted to your vitriol I did so in defense of an innocent person that you attacked without provocation. What's your excuse?

157 posted on 12/11/2001 7:48:28 PM PST by William Wallace
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To: Victoria Delsoul; William Wallace; Sabertooth
Thank you Victoria, we seem to agree on this article. I am insulted by this woman's words, I can't give her a pass because she was dying, we all die, but we do not need to hurt our children in the process to satisfy some melodramatic need to be a martyr.

I can't help but to think of the impact that the words on this opus had on Practical Patty, her own mother wishing that if she had children, they would be like someone else...amazing.

I wonder exactly where, if not here, this woman would have been happier. Maybe in some island with a ruthless dictator, someplace where she could have learned what it really means to be a slave. Maybe then, instead of this self-serving dribble, she could have thanked the Lord for healthy daughters, and for allowing her to live in the greatest country on the world. And with her dying breath whispered "God Bless America".

"But my grandbabies will be born as slaves. And oh God, I regret that. And I regret not being around to protect them."

Protect them? She laments that she did nothing, and was unable to even protect herself from "them", but she's sorry that she won't be around to protect her yet to be born grandkids?

God works in mysterious ways, she will not be around to teach her grandchildren to hate America.

158 posted on 12/11/2001 7:53:59 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: William Wallace
No personal attacks means don't attack other posters.

Not quite. Personal attacks can also mean making unfair and cruel assumptions about another person's thoughts and ideas instead of stating facts.

If someone posts an article about Andrea Yates and I call her a murderer because she drowned her kids, according to your logic, I'm guilty of a personal attack.

Come on, play nice. According to my logic that is a statement of fact.
I'd like to remind you that YOU are the one that brought up the unfairness on personal attacks, not I. I was only amazed by your straight faced delivery of a line, and asked you to re-read your reply.

It's too late for me to argue any more points, and I'm not out looking for a fight. But I DO disagree with you. Hope that is ok.

159 posted on 12/11/2001 8:02:05 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: AAABEST
Can't deny that. When she started off saying that she loves freedom more than she loves her family, she makes one think of how important the messenger of a good message is.

Thanks AAA. That's another reason why I think your post was better than the article. You were able to make the point about government encroaching on our freedoms without insulting a family member.

160 posted on 12/11/2001 8:06:41 PM PST by William Wallace
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