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Survey finds 10 partners before marriage 'normal'
Drudge ^ | 10th December 2001 | Ananova

Posted on 12/09/2001 9:59:41 PM PST by Don Myers

Survey finds 10 partners before marriage 'normal'

The majority of young people think it is normal for a person to have at least 10 sexual partners before marriage.

A survey has also found that three in 10 believe it is acceptable for a girl to lose her virginity before the age of 15.

Research carried out by Brook, the youth sex advisory service, says there is a "cultural change" in young people's attitudes towards sex.

Some 64% of men and 54% of women agreed that it was acceptable for a person to sleep with more than 10 partners before getting married.

But the survey, which questioned people aged 17 to 25, also showed that they wanted more information about sex and contraception.

Men admitted to getting most of their knowledge about contraception from TV and magazines, while women learned the most from magazines and their mothers.

Half of all the young women surveyed said they wished that teachers had supplied them with more information about preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

Brook chief executive Jan Barlow said: "Young people have an increasing number of sexual partners and they are saying that's OK.

"But at the same time they don't have the information and access to services that they need.

"Young people must seek out advice and information in order to make their choices and to understand how to protect themselves both against pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases."


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To: marajade
I said:

It is mostly the women who come out on the losing side of this equation.

You said:

Which is a double standard.

And, I don't understand what you mean by this.

181 posted on 12/10/2001 3:45:19 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: marajade
Come now, you don't really believe that the Kennedy's typify practicing Catholics do you?

In fact, faithful Catholics have one of the lowest divorce rates in the country. From Divorce Statistics Collection:

In truth, the National Institute for Healthcare Research says weekly churchgoers throughout the U.S. are less apt to divorce than people who claim "no religion" and those who attend religious services less than once a week. Devout Catholics have especially low divorce rates - apparently because Catholic parishes often take the responsibility of marriage preparation and enrichment more seriously than Protestant churches do. Thus, one of the reasons for the relatively low divorce rates in the Northeast and Midwest is because these regions tend to have a higher concentration of Catholics than do other geographic areas.

182 posted on 12/10/2001 3:46:42 PM PST by independentmind
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To: gumbo
If a woman is "no good in bed," it's probably because the man has not taken the time, and is not devoted enough, to cultivate a loving relationship with her.

In my experience, half the time this is due to the guy(s) the woman was previously with being incompetent at the overall process (which is far more complicated than the mere mechanical act of sex). From the standpoint of the woman, this seems to be a crapshoot; some guys are figured things out quick, others didn't. Obviously, most of these issues can be worked out in a decent long-term relationship (married or otherwise). That said, there do seem to be a small group of women who have mental/psychological issues that are largely independent of anything involving the man.

I have met a couple <30 virgins, but they are very rare (no thanks to me in my younger years).

183 posted on 12/10/2001 3:47:04 PM PST by tortoise
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To: FreedomFriend
I had not intention of attacking you personally, I simply react pretty allergic to the notion that certain arguments are only accessible to "true believers". IMHO these arguments are usually plain wrong.

More to the point, there are good arguments in favor of sexual abstinence and good arguments against it. Most of them have been mentioned on this thread, or on similar threads here on FR. In the end it's a personal choice everyone has to make. Claiming that the pro-sex arguments are all bogus and that others are unable to see it because they don't share your strong faith just isn't very convincing.
184 posted on 12/10/2001 3:48:52 PM PST by Economist_MA
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To: Doctor Doom
willing to relocate

... that made me laugh. Probably more like "begging to relocate" or "offering their first-born son for a chance to relocate".
185 posted on 12/10/2001 3:51:57 PM PST by Economist_MA
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To: Don Myers
I've been hearing radio commercials around here promoting waiting until marriage for sex...stating that it sets the stage for a happier relationship and more stability for the children. Comments?
186 posted on 12/10/2001 3:53:46 PM PST by Osinski
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To: Dr. Frank
Also: one should keep in mind that there is a difference between, say, what answer a guy might give to a survey like this ("10 partners before marriage is normal"), and what he would be likely to accept in a future bride. They may not be the same thing.

Indeed, there are numerous studies that support this. One of the best books/studies ever written on human sexual behavior is The Evolution of Desire by David Buss. I highly recommend it for anyone interested in anthropological and sociological aspects of this topic.

187 posted on 12/10/2001 3:55:23 PM PST by tortoise
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To: Osinski
I wish that more media sources would do the same. It is what the kids need, not the filth they are normally getting now.
188 posted on 12/10/2001 3:56:11 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: tortoise
"I have met a couple <30 virgins, but they are very rare (no thanks to me in my younger years)."

I went to the store this afternoon and on one of the magazine covers was an article entitled, How To Tell If He Is Justing Using You For Sex.

If you live in an insane asylum, insanity becomes accepted by even those who are not insane. To me Tip #1 for the girls is, IF the guy is bedding you and you do not have a ring on your finger, it is likely that you are serving the function of an inflatible doll. You are just warmer. Guys treat girls that they are interested in with a slightly different manner than they do the girls with whom they have no interest.

189 posted on 12/10/2001 4:10:05 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Justing is just.
190 posted on 12/10/2001 4:10:46 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
You are missing my point. You don't think that the state has something to do with how sex and being single or marriage is viewed? If 14 is considered the normal age of marriage why wouldn't they think that 14 is the normal age to have sex?
191 posted on 12/10/2001 4:10:54 PM PST by marajade
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To: Economist_MA
Actually, it's that type of thinking, that being "enlightened" and not totally against premarital sex, that is leading many young people into sexual relations in the first place.

For example, it's the liberal parent syndrome. You know, the type of parents who are of the mindset that you shouldn't say anything negative about sex, that their children will figure it our on their own, or do what's best for them, and that they'll support them if they need birth control, albeit an abortion or whatnot.

I have seen this type of parent. They're the ones who will ask their daughter if she'd like to go on the pill, if she needs condoms, or if she is sexually active, while exclaiming to her that if she gets pregnant that she can go on down to the clinic and get an abortion (aka MURDER her child).

This type of parenting is devastating for any child, and it actually PROMOTES sexual activity, for it is seen as a condonation of sex in the first place. For example, "mom has asked me if I've had sex. She's asked me if I need birth control pills. She's asked me if I need condoms. She's stated that if I get pregnant, all I have to do is get an abortion". This is the mindset.

While teaching your child about the dangers of premarital sex and abstinence is not 100% fool-proof, the success of these methods are lightyears ahead of liberal "sex education" advice and parenting. Teaching middle and high school kids how to put a condom on a banana actually promotes sexual activity. Secondly, passing them out says to the kids, "see, our role models say it's okay to have premarital sex".

When parents, as well as society, embraces abstinence education, the rewards and successes are much more common. Like I said, it is not one hundred percent fool proof, but it has far better results. Of those with a great, abstinence up-bringing, nearly all do not have sex as teens. Those that do lose their virginity are much older, say in their early to mid 20s, and many of them by that time are in good relationships that will secure them a partner for life. Now, I'm not saying that this applies to everyone, but rather a general trend that has lots of validity.

192 posted on 12/10/2001 4:11:22 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: Dr. Frank
Why is it always that the woman is looked down upon? As a woman I would look down upon a man who had had just as many partners if I was looking for the right partner.
193 posted on 12/10/2001 4:12:06 PM PST by marajade
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To: Don Myers
I cannot understand the thinking in our brave new world. Morality is bad. Degenerate lifestyles are good. We are constantly bombarded with filth and urges to indulge in a lifestyle that is demeaning, demoralizing,and destructive. It is no wonder that the kids are the way that they are.

The problem may be with your definitions. I don't know of anyone who believes morality is bad, and I'm not sure what a degenerate lifestyle is. Maybe you know people who are a lot worse than the people around me, or maybe you have a particular idea of what's moral based on some religion rather than a true morality based on treating people decently.
194 posted on 12/10/2001 4:12:29 PM PST by LazarusX
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To: independentmind
I don't know if its typical or not. I'm just saying that if you are a rich successful political like the Kennedy's buying annulments come easy to the Catholic Church. Personally I think the Church has corrupted itself.
195 posted on 12/10/2001 4:13:31 PM PST by marajade
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To: marajade
[double standard] Why is it always that the woman is looked down upon?

I hope you don't think I was "looking down upon" women by pointing out that a "free love" type of attitude hurts them more than it does men.

Ultimately, the reason for this (so-called) "double standard" is of course that women can get pregnant and men cannot. Therefore, the notion of sex without responsibility serves primarily to allow irresponsible men to use women and then go off on their merry way. Which is precisely what (irresponsible) men want. Men, you see, won the (so-called) Sexual Revolution.

I don't see it as "looking down upon" women to acknowledge this fact. Quite the contrary.

As a woman I would look down upon a man who had had just as many partners if I was looking for the right partner.

Good for you. Best,

196 posted on 12/10/2001 4:18:22 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: marajade
To me, marriage is different than the single state. I can see what you are saying. If a girl can have sex at the age of 14 within marriage, then why not sex while single at the age of 14? So if the girl can perhaps have a baby within marriage, then why not as a single mom? There are cultural considerations and financial reasons. A married girl has a means of support. Cultural norms or standards of behavior dictate behavior. Most people will still consider 14 as being too young in engage in sexual intercourse. There are even laws governing that behavior outside of marriage. Marriage is accepted as a legal institution in which sexual conduct can take place.

So we are back to culturally accepted standards of behavior. Now, it seems to be generally accepted for very young people to have babies even if not married. I know 14/15 year old girls who have babies and are talking about having a second one before they graduate from school. These girls are not married, BTW. So things are changing in our society, and not for the good.

197 posted on 12/10/2001 4:19:28 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Dr. Frank
is of course that women can get pregnant and men cannot.

And men can become fathers who pay child support which impacts their new family's financial outlook.

198 posted on 12/10/2001 4:21:44 PM PST by marajade
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To: Don Myers
And you think a 14 year old girl, married, with children is a good thing?
199 posted on 12/10/2001 4:22:51 PM PST by marajade
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To: marajade
And men can become fathers who pay child support which impacts their new family's financial outlook.

Not if the woman doesn't know the name or address of the man she just shared her "free love" with, because she's so "liberated".

In any event, either way, the woman is now a single mother, the man (if known) lives in a different state and has his paycheck garnished, and who knows how the kid will turn out. This is a pretty bad state of affairs, no?

200 posted on 12/10/2001 4:24:33 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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