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American has another Airbus scare at JFK
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | DECEMBER 4 | Paul Sperry

Posted on 12/05/2001 9:52:52 AM PST by Israel

Tuesday, December 4, 2001

DISASTER ON FLIGHT 587

American has another Airbus scare at JFK

Jet forced to land in engine emergency; birds blamed

By Paul Sperry
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An American Airlines flight to the Caribbean was forced to land Friday at John F. Kennedy International Airport after the pilot reported problems with one of the Airbus A300 engines, company officials confirmed today.

An American spokesman in Dallas blamed the emergency landing on a flock of birds likely flying south for the winter.

"It was bird strikes. The engine ingested birds, so the pilot diverted to JFK and landed without incident," spokesman John Hotard told WorldNetDaily.

"At this time of year, bird strikes are not uncommon," he added, "and engines are designed to withstand bird strikes."

Investigators initially thought birds may have caused the Nov. 12 crash of American Flight 587, which disintegrated shortly after take-off from JFK. The Airbus A300 was bound for Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. The crash killed 265.

Friday's Flight 1019, which departed from Logan International Airport in Boston, was bound for San Juan, Puerto Rico.

After landing at JFK, the Airbus jet was taken out of service and repaired, while passengers and the plane's cargo of mostly "perishables" were put on a later flight to San Juan.

An American Airlines employee at Logan says the problem was reported on the flight-operations computer as "engine vibrations."

"It caused a brief panic at JFK," she said. "When they heard it was an Airbus that was headed for the Caribbean, they said, 'Oh, no.'"

Mechanics want Airbus out of service


Paul Sperry is Washington bureau chief for WorldNetDaily.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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bird strikes are not uncommon," he added, "and engines are designed to withstand bird strikes."
Another crashed JFK plane may cause New Yorkers to mutiny from the establishment, and beat the crap out of the feds! If only they had not been so fanatical about every immagined fear that some PMS "victim" had, then perhaps they should be listened to. But a known liar should be punished, even if it is the entire government.

By the quietness of aircraft stress analysts, I assume that there are none on FR or who are in any way hostile to statism.

If it's not a militia-man, we ain't interested... (unknown Fed)
1 posted on 12/05/2001 9:52:52 AM PST by Israel
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To: Israel
Delta experienced an Airbus problem and had to land unexpectedly in Peru last week. Didn't get much press here.
2 posted on 12/05/2001 10:00:21 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: OldFriend
Um, Delta does not operate any Airbus equipment (according to their website)

Delta Fleet

3 posted on 12/05/2001 10:13:34 AM PST by Blueflag
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To: Israel
Wow you people are excitable. I think it is BS that 587 had any kind of mechanical failure, turbulence, bird strike, etc., but I don't get worked up about it. I look at it as drawing the line on how much propaganda I am willing to swallow.

AA587 was probably bombed, and TWA800 was probably shot down. Both are otherwise unexplainable without torturing logic. The only thing one can do about it is to keep pointing out the absurdity of the birdstrikewaketurbulencecheapfrechplastictail theories and keep calling Kallstrom the lying weasel he is to deter other "team players" from taking on his role.

4 posted on 12/05/2001 10:53:47 AM PST by eno_
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To: OldFriend
AIRLINE NEWS 16-30 NOV 2001
An Airbus A321, en route from London Luton to Tenerife Spain, was forced to make an emergency landing at London Stansted Airport today (16Nov) around 0845 after the crew reported problems with one of the engines shortly after takeoff and was forced to shutdown the engine.
There is also this (now outdated) bit of information on that same web page
Preliminary flight data released on yesterday from AA587 showed the Airbus A300 was buffeted twice by turbulence from another big aircraft seconds before it began its final disastrous descent. Safety investigators said at a briefing the final turn to the left occurred even as crew controls were set to the right, suggesting the plane was no longer responding to pilot commands several seconds after the second bout of turbulence and just before crashing on Monday. National Transportation Safety Board officials said there was movement noted on the flight data recorder that was consistent with two similar turbulence encounters caused by the wake of another plane. But it remained unclear if the force of the wake turbulence, presumably from a Japan Air Lines Boeing 747 that took off just before the American Airlines plane, was enough to throw the doomed jetliner more than four miles behind it out of control.

5 posted on 12/05/2001 11:00:26 AM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus
...suggesting the plane was no longer responding to pilot commands several seconds after the second bout of turbulence and just before crashing...
What it comes down to is: did loss of control cause the plane to get sideways and enable air load to rip off the vert stab and engines? If it did, then what the witnesses saw: flame or explosion near the wing root before the plane came apart, is corroborated.

The other question is: is there any other theory that pulls it all together and explains what happened?

What the NTSB has in front of it is delicate: I don't think anyone has the titanium balls to try "Exploding center fuel tank" again. So what do you call what the witnesses saw?

6 posted on 12/05/2001 1:33:28 PM PST by eno_
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To: eno_
There is this and more on the same web-site. So far the thoery is that the tail fin failed for some reason, though probably through a combination of previous wake damage, composite material failure and the preceeding 747's wake turbulence. Once the fin had gone, loss of lateral control with pilot inputs overstressed the other parts that then proceeded to 'fall off'. NASA is on the case to check into why the fin would fail.

Regs,

VRN

7 posted on 12/06/2001 12:10:24 AM PST by Voronin
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To: Voronin
Nothing is impossible, but the fact AA's Airbusses all checked out fine (no other line's fleet was checked, which also tells you something), and the fact Airbusses were not grounded, and the fact this would be the very first mechanical failure on an Airbus resulting in a fatal crash, all make the odds of the Cheap French Plastic Tail theory pretty low. The vert stab, like the engines, is attached pretty good. More likely the same cause - air load - took both off.

And then there is the insistence of witnesses that fires or signs of an explosion were the first things to happen. So the Cheap French Plastic Tail theory does not explain both the observed sequence - a witness saw part of a wing come off before the tail, for example, or the subsequent events. What they should be looking for is when the control lines, hydraulic and mechanical, stopped working, and why that happened.

10 posted on 12/06/2001 2:54:33 AM PST by eno_
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To: Israel
"At this time of year, bird strikes are not uncommon," he added, "and engines are designed to withstand bird strikes."

Certain times of the year birds will land and gather on the runways for whatever reason. I've seen planes leave and return quickly with a cracked windshield from hitting birds on the runways. I'd say that although engines are designed to withstand bird strikes I doubt that the engines can withstand ingesting several birds. Just my opinion.

Laid off Airline Employee.

11 posted on 12/06/2001 3:15:30 AM PST by 4wvueers
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To: eno_
NO . Any airframe that weak could not be certified.
NO
Having NASA analyze airframe instead of FAA is like having the Park Police to investigate Vince Foster.
12 posted on 12/06/2001 3:58:41 AM PST by Israel
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To: Voronin
There is this and more on the same web-site.

Thanks for posting the airdisaster website. It had information on a TWA flight that crashed less than a mile from my house 40 years ago.

The aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff from Chicago's Midway Airport after a malfunction of the flight controls, which subsequently led to a full upward deviation of the elevator, and a stall.

The volunteer fire fighters from my small town never got over having had to deal with the horror. Three of the volunteers from my block died fairly young of heart attacks. We always wondered if something in connection with that day contributed to their deaths.  

13 posted on 12/06/2001 6:23:20 AM PST by syriacus
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