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Appears Riordan and the CA GOP learned nothing from the colossal failure of Lundgren's campaign.
1 posted on 12/05/2001 6:50:44 AM PST by randita
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2 posted on 12/05/2001 6:52:11 AM PST by WIMom
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3 posted on 12/05/2001 7:02:18 AM PST by TwoStep
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All I will tell you is what a Republican pro-choice woman in ORANGE COUNTY told me, that this article is basically right, and that there are large numbers of pro-choice women in CA who are disillusioned with the GOP and who stay home.

I don't live there, and I don't know about Lundgren, who (as I hear it) ran an absolutely stupid campaign. But I can say that that this woman attends meetings of other powerful, prominent GOP women, and if her take on this is correct, you are wrong. And I'm pro-life, but you can't stick your head in the sand.

4 posted on 12/05/2001 7:22:19 AM PST by LS
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Heck No. I am voting for Bill Simon. A true conservative
5 posted on 12/05/2001 7:24:02 AM PST by Beeline40@aol.com
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"I believe economically disadvantaged women should have access to medical funds, so they have the same right to make the choice as any other woman. You're not really giving the choice to somebody unless they have the wherewithal (to pay for an abortion)."

That's Riordan code-speak for "We should kill minorities before they're born."

Compare and contrast (well, there is no contrast) to the White Aryan Resistance's official position on abortion:

"Among non-Whites, invest in ghetto abortion clinics. Help to raise money for free abortions. Abortion clinic syndicates throughout North America, that primarily operate in non-White areas and receive tax support, should be promoted."

Eugenics. No longer a stealth cause among Republicans. Y'all ought to be proud.

6 posted on 12/05/2001 7:50:22 AM PST by toenail
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"I believe economically disadvantaged women should have access to medical funds, so they have the same right to make the choice as any other woman. You're not really giving the choice to somebody unless they have the wherewithal (to pay for an abortion)."

This is a fallacy I always find irritating. Almost 80% (78%) of abortion providers will be found in economically disadvantaged, Black or minority communities. Pro-life Blacks will argue it was planned this way. Economically disadvantaged women have access to very cheap abortions right in their back yard.

"He has a great opportunity, as a centrist, to bring back women to the Republican Party," she said. "If you're pro-choice, you're more pro- environment, pro-education, and anti-guns.”

A very broad stereotype in my opinion, especially the “pro-education” comment.

However, I don’t live in California, but the opinions and statements in this article are probably true. I have a few Pro-Choice, (strong) Republican friends who I make room for in my life. I have managed to sway one to the Pro-Life side. Still working on the others. LOL

Interesting article. Thanks for posting it.

7 posted on 12/05/2001 7:53:59 AM PST by SpookBrat
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Judy Buchanan, a Republican who heads the Bay Area-based nonprofit Bring Me a Book Foundation, said Riordan's appeal to women on the issue could help revive a party that has fallen on hard times.

Yep, Repubilcan hard times, huh? We got the President, the House of Representatives, the Senate (well, did have it by a hair), alot of governorships, state houses. I think she's talking about HER WING OF THE PARTY. The wing that has not been able to change the pro-life plank. The wing that tried to get Christine Todd Witman to run for President just because she favors unborn deaths.

Hard times, yeah, for people who like killing unborn children. No matter how they dress it up, it's still murder. When Republicans put forth an objectionable pro-death candidate, the majority of Republicans generally stay home. Them's the facts.

12 posted on 12/05/2001 9:49:33 AM PST by Slyfox
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Appears Riordan and the CA GOP learned nothing from the colossal failure of Lundgren's campaign.

Right. Since according to the LA TIMES poll the day after, Lungren had a net gain on the abortion issues. The problem with Lungren must have been that no one perceived him as a real prolifer.

I agree with you Randita, unless we have an unabashed conservative who sticks to his principles, conservative voters will stay home.

Lets all join Randita and support conservatives like Bill Simon!

14 posted on 12/05/2001 9:52:03 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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I am a pro-life, Republican mom of four young kids and I am offended by Riordan's position. Not only is he so-called "pro-choice", he is militantly so.

It is a well-standing lie that women are overwhelmingly pro-choice. Women are by and large PRO-LIFE, but they are so ridiculed by society, the media, and militant pro-aborts that they remain silent on the issue, quietly voting or sitting out elections because they can't stomach their choices.

Lungren didn't lose because he was pro-life, he lost because he ran an awful campaign, was boring and uninspiring, and had no message. The L.A. Times did an exit poll that showed that people who said that abortion was one of the deciding factors in their decision in the race, voted 13% for Lungren and 12% for Davis, a slight edge for the pro-life Lungren!

Riordan is liberal straight down the ticket, not just on abortion. And I, for one, can not stomach people who think that the right to kill innocent unborn babies without anesthesia should be a deciding factor on who should represent us.

Sadly, Roe v. Wade is the law of the land right now. However, we can change the hearts and minds of the American people by talking about the realities of abortion and giving real, compassionate alternatives to women faced with an unwanted pregnancy.

Riordan is just more of the same, another white guy who doesn't realize that abortion destroys more than one life.

15 posted on 12/05/2001 10:37:09 AM PST by IrishMom
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Riordan wants a BAN on guns, backed Feinswine twice, and I believe backed Klinton.

If I lived in California, not only would I vote against Riordan, but I would vote for DAVIS. Davis at least hasn't publically called for a ban. You know it's bad when the GOP'er is WORSE than the dem.

GO SIMON!

24 posted on 12/05/2001 10:59:09 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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Pro-choice Riordan looks to GOP women

Not only has Riordan made clear his support for abortion rights and public funding of abortions, but he is also appealing to an influential group of voters who have been increasingly disillusioned: GOP women who support abortion rights.

I guess the Chron thinks most GOP women support abortion.

36 posted on 12/06/2001 12:09:25 AM PST by xm177e2
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Excuse me. Some of us are trying desperately to keep Riordan from winning and wrecking the Party. There ARE some conservatives left in this damn state, no matter what the Cali-hating kooks on FR say.
38 posted on 12/06/2001 12:13:59 AM PST by StoneColdGOP
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