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$1,000,000 Million Judgement against Jim/FR LLC - What does it mean?
12-02-01 | Bob J

Posted on 12/02/2001 10:09:56 PM PST by Bob J

Nothing...thats what it means.

The afholes have been trying to scare FReepers with this little bit information. Here is my opinion on the subject.

As you all know, the Washington Post and LA Times sued FR LLC and Jim to stop it from posting full text articles. The basis of FR's attorneys defense rested on the fair use clause. Unfortunately, Jim drew probably the worst judge he could...Margaret Morrow, a Clinton nominee, whose appointment was held up for a long time by Republicans due to here obvious left wing opinions.

The plaintiffs attorneys filed a pre trial motion to squelch the fair use defense and Judge Morrow ruled affirmatively. That basically took all the guts out of the Jim's defense. At that point, Jim's most prudent course of action was to stipulate to a decision against him. That way the case could get into the appeal with the least cost. This may have actually worked for the best since if Jim won, the WP was certainly going to appeal. It would also follow that whoever lost the appeal would then appeal to the SC. It has been estimated going directly to appeal may have saved Jim and FR 200-300k. Now, it may only cost 20-30k to get all the way to the Supremes.

Once Jim stipulated, they were allowed to ask for a dollar judgement. When Jim found out it was 1 million, he said "Why not make it 500 million. Hell, make it a billion!" The fact is Jim nor FR LLC have any money. What is raised during the quarterly FReepathons is used during the next 3 months for expenses. The LAT and WP know this. I doubt if they expect to ever see a dime of it. The judgement allows them to put a nice round number on their balance sheet to offset the obvious huge expenses this case is chewing up on their P&L's. Can you imagine the public relations nightmare for a multi billion dollar corporation to going after a disabled vet for a million bucks he doesn't have? How about a billion...heheh.

Obviously, some donations go to legal expenses, as in any business, but Jim is trying to minimize the cost. So, when an afhole throws that million dollar judgement in your face, as if you are or they expect you to pay for it, say what Jim said, "Thank you sir, make it a billion, please!"

Ha! What loosers...


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To: BRL; Jim Robinson; Bob J; All
Bulls**t, BRL. Let me educate you a bit.

Now.........put on your thinking cap for just a second. Think of the dates involved; the timeframe for the LA Times/Wash Post lawsuit. What was the big buzz in the country? What was THE current "thing"?? (HINT: think "dot com"). OK.......ya with me?

Try to keep up, now.

I know for an absolute fact, in the case of the Washington Post, that their online version (i.e. the folks who ran it) were catching unmitigated HELL over the fact that they were not the "de facto online news source". That was their goal. They wanted everyone to think "Washington Post" when they thought of online news. It's none of your go**amned business how I know, and I don't care a flip if you believe it or not.

They were getting their asses kicked online; ZIP for "visibility", viewership/readership, etc., ..........and clutching at straws for answers or........in lieu of answers............scapegoats.

FR was nothing more than a handy target with shallow pockets. That's a f**king fact, slick. Live it, learn it, know it for the TRUTH that it is.

By suing FR and getting their West Coast loser brethren at the LA Times (yep............facing similar heat) to join in with their checkbooks, they were practically guaranteed "cover" from their bosses.

Do you think for a f**king second I can make this stuff up, genius?

Jim was scapegoated for a simple reason: Unreasonable expectations on the part of the management of those two liberal-run publications. Their online-version managers failed to deliver and needed shields..........FR? Simple. No sweat. Send a message. An "example".

The damnedest thing about this whole fiasco is this (and I DO know what I'm talking about; I spent years consulting in this field): FR not only did no harm to those two idiotic publications; it freakin' helped them..............and they were too go**amned stupid to even know it.

The God's honest truth of it all is this irony: Those assholes should have been cutting Jim checks each month rather than sue him.

201 posted on 12/04/2001 7:04:15 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks, Gramps. Joe already notified me by email earlier today just after I posted my reply question to you. And he fixed me up. Didn't charge me triple. Lucky me.

Appreciate the reply, buddy. Eagles up.

One more item - I didn't know to which donation effort to click on, so I just clicked on the 'support FR' tab. When I saw that huge lawsuit, I was kinda wishing I'd clicked on the legal fund tab.

They can use it anyway they see fit, IMO.

202 posted on 12/04/2001 7:08:46 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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To: Bob J
It was a response aimed at AF attempts to frighten and intimidate Forum participants.

Bob,

JimRob invited us over. In fact, he specifically invited me to ask questions, which I did in a very polite way. He even answered many of them.

When it comes to dealing with the AFers, do you receive talking points, or just make the stuff up as you go along?

203 posted on 12/04/2001 7:17:42 PM PST by Z2
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To: RightOnline
It sounds like JR played right into their hands. A shame really. JR used to rile up the forum about how he was going to defy WP's and LAT's demands to stop posting, and all the while he played right into their hands. I guess if he would have simply met the LAT and WP demands they would of had no excuses for bad website numbers and the liberal heads would have felt the heat. A shame really.
204 posted on 12/04/2001 7:22:54 PM PST by BRL
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To: antivenom
How is it that people were perfectly free to exercise their first amendment right to unabridged free speech, where they could even use published news accounts of politics and government and current events for their own purposes, without prior permission from the publisher, from the time of the signing of the U.S. Constitution, until Congress granted copyright protection to newspapers in the 1900s? What changed that suddenly gave the Congress the power to suspend this guaranteed right of the people and instead grant monopoly copyright protection to the media?
205 posted on 12/04/2001 7:27:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Bob J
Bob,

I understand that oral arguments in the appeal have been scheduled for February 11, 2002, 1:30 pm, in Pasadena, Courtroom 1. Can you confirm the accuracy of that report?

Thank you.

206 posted on 12/04/2001 7:30:34 PM PST by aligyrl-02
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To: Jim Robinson
'tis a good question, you ask.

tom paine and ben franklin would have been most interested in the answer.

207 posted on 12/04/2001 7:33:14 PM PST by ken21
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To: ken21
Yeah, Paul Revere, too.
208 posted on 12/04/2001 7:37:31 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,

I asked the following question of Bob J and didn't ping you. I'd like to ask the same of you:

I understand that oral arguments in the appeal have been scheduled for February 11, 2002, 1:30 pm, in Pasadena, Courtroom 1. Can you confirm the accuracy of that report?

Thank you in advance for your reply.

209 posted on 12/04/2001 7:39:08 PM PST by aligyrl-02
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To: aligyrl-02
As far as I know that appears to be correct.
210 posted on 12/04/2001 7:41:08 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks.

I've always been curious as to the lack of information released concerning the lawsuit. Will you be posting a thread regarding the court date, time, etc., for any interested freepers?

211 posted on 12/04/2001 7:46:33 PM PST by aligyrl-02
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To: aligyrl-02
After I have a meeting with my attorney I may do just that. Thank you very much for your sincere concern for your friends and fellow FReepers. It's always a great pleasure to work with sincere and trustworthy people such as yourself.
212 posted on 12/04/2001 7:50:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: BRL
Look..................I must first apologize for my language in my last reply to you. It wasn't really aimed at you so much as the Times and Post (they just rile me), but no excuse on my part, and you just caught the brunt of it.

As to your point................no, I don't think Jim played into their hands per se'. I think that he pushed back, but ultimately gave them what they wanted. That still wasn't good enough for those guys. No, they wanted an example, as if FR or any other single Web site was responsible for their dismal "hit rates" (I truly wish, in an obtuse way, that this case was really about some loftier concept or ideal..........but it wasn't; THAT is the sad part). Their problems were problems of technology and content, pure and simple. That, in itself, is a lengthy discussion that I would find it prudent NOT to go into on this forum..........but the points stand.

213 posted on 12/04/2001 7:55:13 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Jim Robinson
You're welcome, Jim. It's a unique and refreshing experience for me, having this opportunity for an open question and answer session.
214 posted on 12/04/2001 7:57:26 PM PST by aligyrl-02
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To: Roscoe; Bob J
"Her decision was a payoff."

Then for her to hear the case was a conflict of interest.

RICO time?

215 posted on 12/04/2001 7:59:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: aligyrl-02
PEEE-EWWWW.

Something stinks here.

216 posted on 12/04/2001 8:03:32 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
Hi Fred,

Will you be at the oral arguments before the Ninth? Maybe I'll see ya there!

217 posted on 12/04/2001 8:06:58 PM PST by aligyrl-02
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To: Bob J
Now I know what is meant by the prayer, "Lord, deliver me from my friends.."
218 posted on 12/04/2001 8:08:13 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: aligyrl-02
I hope to be in Mexico around that time. As you know, I live on the Space Coast, in Florida. It's too far a trip.

I'm sure you'll keep us abreast. Right?

219 posted on 12/04/2001 8:11:45 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
Enjoy Mexico.

As far as keeping y'all posted, I'll do my best!! LOL

220 posted on 12/04/2001 8:18:09 PM PST by aligyrl-02
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