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WANTED! Please post any information you have about 'rat FRAUD in Houston mayoral race
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Posted on 12/02/2001 1:19:18 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
In the hours following the announcement of the results from last night's Houston mayoral runoff, I have heard constant reports of 'rat voter fraud in yesterday's election. Considering that Orlando Sanchez fell short of racist mayor Lee "Speaking Lessings" Brown by less than 5,000 votes, I have no doubt that this election was carried by fraud.
As I noted earlier, Lee Brown himself was not the winner last night - hatred was the true winner. Racial hatred, fraud, deception, and bigotry all won last night. Lee Brown was just the shell cover for them.
Needless to say, I am utterly disgusted at the ammount of fraud perpetrated by the Democrats yesterday. It is a continuing problem that plagues our elections, perhaps more than anything else. It is a problem that has gone on too long and is literally out of control. What the Republican Party needs to learn is that until we draw the line in the sand and put an end to voter fraud, we will continue to lose elections that rightfully should have been won.
I am calling on any and all freepers with information pertaining to ballot fraud in yesterday's Houston mayoral race to post it here and now. This information needs to be documented and publicized. I plan to inquire with the county about obtaining open records requests of sign in sheets from yesterday's elections to detect fraud and need to know specifically what precinct numbers to be on the lookout for. Any and all information is appreciated. Please post it here and post it publicly if at all possible, as it needs to be documented in a place for all to see. This problem must be stopped now.
Based on credible information I have already heard to date, there is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind what would have happened yesterday had Orlando Sanchez won. Lee Brown, Jew Don Boney (yes, Jew Don IS his real name! He's a local version of Al Sharpton in Houston), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and their gang of racist thugs would have immediately filed an election challenge and recount request to try and overturn the election. They had this planned and in the works, ready to launch if needed. In fact, I honestly believe that they would have willingly incited racial riots had they become "necessary" to ensure Brown's return to office (no, Lee Brown was not "reelected"). That is how desparate these people are, and we should never forget it.
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To: winin2000
...Sauerbrey in Maryland, Jenkins in Louisiana, B1-Bob; I've seen it happen too many times!Bush in Milwaukee! 340 felons voted. 3500 people registered at the polls (legal in WI) but they were nowhere to be found after the election at the addresses they gave. That accounts for 4000 fraudulent votes just in the City of Milwaukee.
Not to mention the "smokes for votes" campaign that Gore operatives ran with the homeless. Not to mention numerous college students who claimed afterward that they voted more than once. Not to mention precincts in the black neighborhoods where the polls stayed open 2 hours extra. Not to mention absentee votes at home and at school (double votes).
Not to mention Madison and Dane county where all of the above was repeated in spades.
Bush lost Wisconsin by less than 6000 votes. I think it's safe to assume that the election was stolen.
To: GOPcapitalist
But because the candidate face contains the candidate's name who sent out the form the first time, it is possible to determine which candidate "recruited" the absentee voter.Wow. That sure has changed since I lived in Texas (Houston suburb.) I voted absentee many times (as did my children and husband) but I never saw an application with a candidate's name on it. Is this new?
To: GOPcapitalist
You live in Houston, you're involved in the campaign and you're the one claiming fraud. I don't see why you're affronted by the questions. If you answer them, it will help document the case and when someone else says "I read on FR there was fraud" and someone asks, "Yeah, why do you think so?" they'll be able to able to answer the question convincingly and the message will get out. I mean, when you started out, you were on about the margin of victory and then the timing of returns. Now those don't look like good reasons for thining there's fraud. There are other, better reasons. Look at the progress that's been made.
To: Texaggie79
namely a certain transit service.
To: ConsistentLibertarian
I'm not sure who your "minions" are, but I can assure you their information is incorrect. It directly contradicts confirmed incidents of ballot fraud I have recieved from persons who witnessed and experienced them. As for the campaign, racism was a major problem. Lee Brown ran a racist campaign oriented around intimidating Hispanic voters with racist campaign signs in Hispanic precincts plus blaming Sanchez for James Byrd's death in a campaign to black households.
To: GOPcapitalist
The design of that request form sounds worse than the Butterfly ballot. Who came up with the idea of letting everyone know whether a request for an absentee ballot was being mailed by a supporter for X or for a supporter of Y? I assume Democrats don't run the County, otherwise I can't explain why the Democrat was screaming mad on TV ranting about how the County was messing up the elections ...
To: antivenom
To: GOPcapitalist
Hmmm ... Looks like that's just another example of why one should ask questions and not accept everything one hears on FR at face value. Don't you think?
To: GOPcapitalist
"That is EXACTLY the problem. Sanchez led until 11 PM. Then, within less than 30 minutes, all the Brown precincts came in and put him from behind by 1,500 to ahead by 7,000 votes."
Sounds like each voting location should have had a poll watcher follow the person delivering the votes to their final destination. We've got to be diligent and one step ahead of these bastard crooks.
To: Norb2569; GOPcapitalist
The fact of the matter is the 'rats have NO SCRUPPLES. Their onl;y mission is GET ELECTED and IN CONTROL by any means necessary. As long as the sheeple of this country are timid and refuse to challenge them at every turn, they will continue to steal elections!! The fact is that now is the time for Republicans to put away their crying towels and move on. Face it, in the last two months Democrats have been elected as New Jersey Governor, Virginia Governor and Houston Mayor. The only Republican that has won a contested election in the last year has been Mike Bloomburg for NYC Mayor. Of course, most Republicans are very proud of their victory in New York City. Bloomburg is pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay rights, supports amnesty for illegal aliens and is against the death penalty . Even Sen. Hillary Clinton is for the death penalty . Mike Bloomburg (Republican) is more Liberal than Hillary Clinton!!! HA! HA!
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posted on
12/02/2001 2:50:44 PM PST
by
Austim
To: ConsistentLibertarian; GOPcapitalist
Where do you live, which city? Take care of YOUR cities politics. GOPC is a college student...probably much more involved in politics than you. How about telling us about your city politics so we can scrutinize every last little itsy bitsy reason WHY it might not be so???? Mind your own cities election, and maybe we'll have less problems through our country. Do you get the idea, Bud?????
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posted on
12/02/2001 2:52:31 PM PST
by
Gracey
To: ConsistentLibertarian
You live in Houston, you're involved in the campaign and you're the one claiming fraud. I don't see why you're affronted by the questions. It has to do with the smug hostile nature in which you are offering them, not to mention a high degree of ignorance of Texas election procedures contained within them. As I have noted, I am more than happy to answer any questions you may offer and to the best of my knowledge have done so on this thread. I am simply noting that your manner of approach in asking them is rude, smug, ignorant, lacking of any constructive merit, and suggestive of a less than innocent intent. That much has been noted by many posters here other than myself.
If you answer them
And to the best of my knowledge, I have voluntarily and patiently answered your questions despite your attitude, so I do not see what you could be reasonably complaining about.
I mean, when you started out, you were on about the margin of victory and then the timing of returns.
Indeed I was, as both are pertainent to the picture as a whole. ANY close election, by its very nature, is more likely to be swayed by fraud than the average election just because every fraudulent vote there contributes to illegally inflating the returns of its recipient. As for timing, I am simply raising a question that something seems suspicious when a box located 10 minutes up the road from the dropoff point does not arrive until 5 hours after a box located 40 miles away in a suburb. It is speculative in itself, but based on past documented incidents where this has indeed been caused by ballot fraud (as I noted earlier in a specific case), it becomes an increasingly likely possibility.
Now those don't look like good reasons for thining there's fraud.
If you are reading them as what you consider to be my "reasons" for thinking there was fraud, I can only say that you missed the point of this thread entirely as well as the content of my posts and others. That being the case, you have only yourself, along with the hostile attitude you took as you prejudiced yourself against this thread before you even started, to blame
To: GOPcapitalist
Voter fraud is rampant in the U.S. because it is a crime in which almost no one has ever been even charged, much less convicted.
To: Austim
If we forget the past and just "move on," we are doomed to repeat it. And repeat it we did, considering that we had a year to implement election reforms following the ballot fraud disaster known as Florida. My question is when is it ever gonna end? Never, if we just keep "moving on." Never, if we just keep conceding because it is "the moral high ground." Sooner or later, somebody's gonna have to take the bullet for this one and put a stop to it once and for all. If they don't, we will continue to lose almost every close election.
To: demkicker; GOPcapitalist
Sounds like each voting location should have had a poll watcher follow the person delivering the votes to their final destination. We've got to be diligent and one step ahead of these bastard crooks. I worked as a Republican poll watcher in Houston yesterday and turned away 150 Hispanic Voters who were attempting to vote. A friend of mine worked as a Republican poll watcher in a black precinct and did not turn anyone away.
To: ConsistentLibertarian
It's not the county - it's the state of Texas, and more specifically the legislature. Counties in Texas have almost no legislative authority whatsoever (Harris Co. is Republican, BTW). They may only do what the state says they can do, which is administer. The state legislature came up with the form and the absentee request procedures a few years ago.
Our legislature is currently split - the dems control the house and we control the senate. I think (hope) you can figure out the rest from there.
To: GOPcapitalist
Here's an example: The late timing returns is either evidence of fraud or it isn't. On the one hand you say it raises the probability that there was fraud. On the other hand you say I've completely misunderstood you to think this constitutes some reason for thinking there's fraud. That's not exactly the clearest way to make a point. If someone asks, and the question gives you a chance to clarify, everyone can benefit. If you pass, it's reasonable to wonder whether you have a point.
To: Blood of Tyrants
Voter fraud is rampant in the U.S. because it is a crime in which almost no one has ever been even charged, much less convicted.B I N G O!!!!!
And until that begins to happen in a SERIOUS way NOTHING will change!
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posted on
12/02/2001 3:06:21 PM PST
by
Bigun
To: GOPcapitalist
IS SANCHEZ contesting??? hope so
To: ConsistentLibertarian
You're raising a false dilemma, and I believe intentionally so. You assert that late returns from precincts either evidences fraud or it doesn't. This dilemma is inherently faulty as it neglects additional possibilities. Specifically, it is entirely possibile that late returns, while not directly 100% proving fraud in precinct X, suggest and raise the likelihood that there was fraud in precinct X, meaning precinct X is a prime target to investigate further. That is the purpose of this thread - identifying the precinct X's, so I can go down to the county and file an open records request for those precincts to investigate them further. I indicated it was my intention to do all of that in my original post. As I noted, it appears you have missed the point of that post entirely.
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