Posted on 11/29/2001 7:38:54 AM PST by hsmomx3
A washing machine?
Other material things?
Those in leadership positions, such as the Crouch's, are held to a higher standard.By Whom? And on what authority? That sounds like hot air to me.
Christ said: Luke 12:47-49: "But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."
This applies to those in leadership positions and those with great wealth, as well. There are other scriptures, also in the Old Testament, that show how God expects more from those who are in leadership positions (pastoral, teachers, political, etc.) because they have greater influence over people, for good or bad. A higher standard applies to those with greater influence.
That's ok. They just lack understanding and I have to remember from whence I came. I used to be just as adamant on the other side of the fence, before I had my "Damascus Road" experience.
We're called to love our enemies and pray for those that persecute us. I fall short of that sometimes when I'm tired or frustrated. I get a little sharp-tongued too. Just ask the other half! *chuckle*
Anyway, we need to hear what the grievances are... from the world's standpoint. Gives us lots of prayer material and keeps us on our toes!. God Bless! :)
Yea yea...
Although it'd certainly be a truism your POV & mine aren't going to jibe much on the subject of these two et al?
You sure did nail it there, alright.
Congratulations!!! You have just won the 2001 Understatement of the Year award.
A washing machine?
Other material things?
I live in a small townhouse and I feel myself VERY blessed; you have no idea.
I do not devote my life to the pursuit of material things, nor do I put my hope in them (I hope!). As I have found, they can all be ripped away from you without notice; the only permanent and steadfast thing in this world and beyond is God.
Having material things is not a bad thing -- if we are thankful to God and have the proper attitude toward them there is nothing wrong. What is wrong is 1) judging God's favor toward you by how much you have 2) gluttony 3)putting your hope in earthly riches and 4) depriving the poor (and the church) while you bask in opulence.
Jesus sets forth plainly (starting with DO NOT COVET) that we are to be masters of money, not the other way around. These people plainly defy all of the Lord's teachings about money, and far, far worse, they deny and withhold the gospel from the people they pretend to "minister" to.
As soon as I went & said we wouldn't agree, here?
We agree.
...story of my life. {g}
Them eyebrows sure are something, when she blinks it's looks like a butterfly's wings.
How about 2 other cons, Dr Gene Scott and the always pompous and overbearing Rev.Shuler. Anybody want to tell the tale about how the little guy in the house next to Shuler's empire threw a monkey wrench into his expansion plans.
Nowhere does it say YOU may hold others to a higher standard, and that's what's happening in this thread. Christ also said "Love your neighbor as yourself". How do you feel about that one, or do you prefer the Bible Cafeteria Style?
What we have here are lots of little home brew theological piss-ants trying to sting those who are more financially sucessful then themselves. Makes you fear for the "jury of peers" system.
>...He would praise them if they sold everything they had, gave it to the poor, and THEN followed Him.
That is a total misreading of Jesus encounter with Zacchaeus, the Tax Collector. Jesus in no way meant that to apply to all his followers, only to Zacchaeus, the crooked percentage-based Tax Collector, who was in need of special attention.
>I am not saying you HAVE TO sell everything you own to be in the ministry
Well that's good, because Jesus certainly never said it.
>I do not see as valid people who make their millions asking for donations from poor
I don't either, and have no truck for the likes of TBN, but I sure get tired of amateur piss-ant theologians attacking on the wrong grounds when there is so much theologically to question. Guess they think attacking money is safer and easier than confronting the REAL issues(but not really).
Excellent point, among your MANY excellent points. One thing Jesus was NOT, and that's POOR. That is a myth propagated by those trying to sell Christianity to the poor of South America, and elsewhere...
You don't know that! You are guessing. Quote the verse that verifies what you allege.
How many of these things could be done if you sold your computer and gave me the money?
What a wonderful line! And it's true, thank goodness. (Same is true with Political heretic hunters...)
I don't doubt what you say, but what makes you say total fakes? Are you referring to their Theology?
DITTO. So much so, the "piss-ants for Jesus" on this thread would certainly gasp and carp about it. They don't believe that God can actually bless his own.
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