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Alan Dershowitz-Defending Osama bin Laden in court as a lawyer is the 'highest form of patriotism'
Good Morning America ^ | November 29, 2001 | Diane Sawyer

Posted on 11/29/2001 5:49:50 AM PST by codebreaker

Just uttered this spew right in front of Diane Sawyer unchallanged on Good Morning America .


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To: Nora
Even unsavory defendants should be represented, but to suggest doing so is a high form of patriotism is silly. It is simply an extremely distasteful task. Making things worse is the fact the publicity potential would attract the kind of lawyer that has already made a mockery of our legal system, and made me ashamed to admit that I am a lawyer without immediately qualifying the fact. For trial lawyers who are increasingly seen as opportunistic social parasites to lecture the rest of us on what is proper constitutional procedure is laughable.
41 posted on 11/29/2001 7:16:15 AM PST by thucydides
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To: Doctor Stochastic
the procedures are more important that the result. It is not enough that justice be done; justice must be seen to be done.

That is an apt description of our perfect justice system that another FReeper better characterized as the entertainment industry. One question (among many) is justice must be seen to be done by whom? I think that nowadays justice is seen to be done by fewer and fewer non-participants in the system, and certainly not by the victims of the privileged criminal class. Yes, justice was seen to be done by OJ Simpson who famously said that "the system works!", did he not? Yes, seen! It's a game of tricks, mirrors and perceptions is it not? We'll execute McVeigh after 5 years of appeals to create a perception that justice is being done, when the typical parasite on a death rows lives there for 12 to 20 years.

Let's perhaps start by questioning why procedures are more important than justice, shall we?

42 posted on 11/29/2001 7:16:48 AM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: japaneseghost
The moral of the story is that it takes guts to defend someone who is obviously wrong, but somebody has to do it, because if no one does it, our legal system would be lacking due process.

Dershowitz is not displaying his guts and he is not standing up for "patriotism" or any other high-falutin' thing. He is an egotistic fool who is displaying his greed and twisted logic for all to see.

If bin Laden is brought to a military court for trial, he will get representation of an American lawyer - even if it is not the esteemed (in his opinion) Mr. D. In addition, there is little doubt (at least in my mind) the patriotic Mr. D. would refuse to represent bin Laden if he couldn't get camera face-time 24/7 and make his usual $500/hour fee along with his lucrative spots on the nightly cable shows.

No, what Mr. D. is looking for is fame and fortune at the expense of the American system, not justice for all, and he is willing to use bin Laden and all the rest of us to do it. Imagine that! He probably thinks all the rubes out here are buying his b&llsh1t! There is a difference, and you as a smart lawyer surely know that. Perhaps we can excuse Diane Sawyer for not knowing that. After all, she is a clueless Talking Head. You aren't - or at least your many previous postings haven't indicated anything of the sort.

43 posted on 11/29/2001 7:17:30 AM PST by Gritty
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To: imperator2
Don't bother responding if English is a second language. Describing your behaviour and beliefs as socialist is not calling you names.
44 posted on 11/29/2001 7:17:36 AM PST by fallclassicus
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To: fallclassicus
Impersonator;

Do you have a reading problem?

45 posted on 11/29/2001 7:19:05 AM PST by imperator2
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To: randog
"I love all these warped definitions of patriotism. "I love my country so much I have to destroy it". Only a liberal could make that connection"

Not to change the subject, but this reminds me...I can't log onto DU anymore. I keep getting an "Error, Please Try Again Later" message. This has been going on for DAYS.

Any other FReeper/DU posters here who can tell me if I've been banned or something? I don't feel like starting up yet ANOTHER email account just so I can "sign up" to post on DU.

Thanks,
cake

46 posted on 11/29/2001 7:19:52 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"No, I take that back. Dershowitz would defend Hitler, if it gave him a chance to say nasty things about the U.S."
Excellent commentary. Mr. D also has no problem growing richer and richer in the country he trashes. A true lowlife!!
47 posted on 11/29/2001 7:22:10 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: imperator2
Sorry, I'm allergic to the ignorant and uneducated. I try to breeze over your praddle. Have a class to teach- will return later. Lots of college kids to bend and twist to my will.
48 posted on 11/29/2001 7:22:51 AM PST by fallclassicus
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To: imperator2
"Nowhere does it say that the defendent has a blank check to charge the American public whatever the heck they want. I think that defense cost should be strickly limited, and obtained from any assests the defendents or their organizations have. I am not willing to pay taxes to enrich lawyers."

Right on !!

50 posted on 11/29/2001 7:26:26 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: exmarine
"Dershowitz is an arrogant blowhard. His intellect is highly over-rated. I'd love to get this guy into a debate over relativism - I would rip him to pieces. I can't believe anyone listens to this guy. If this is the best legal mind our nation has to offer, we may as well write off our legal system as a lost cause.

Excellent...For me, Dershowitz is a walking poster boy for military tribunals. I can just see him and Johnny Cochrane in court filled with diaper heads with Judge Ito playing solitaire on his laptop.

51 posted on 11/29/2001 7:32:10 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: imperator2
You would feel differently if it were your time and effort. One of the problems with reducing payment to counsel for defending the indigent is that no one wants to do it. Or those that do, if, court-appointed, may be forced to cut corners or give less than a zealous defense.(Lawyers seem to be the only ones asked to cut their fees because those requesting the service are poor)

Now, many folks don't have a problem with a defendant receiving poor representation by a court-appointed attorney, that is, until they become that defendant.

I loathe Dershowitz. He is a self-promoter of the worst kind. But his point, which I think would not be lost on this cite that purports to uphold the virtue of America is, that everybody is entitled to a fair trial and competent representation. The rule of law and principals of civilization are served best when we are prepared to extend those rights to even the most vicious of all killers. It is why we are Americans, and everyone else is not.

Some might argue, that such rights don't extend to non-citizens. That is certainly a different argument with which I have some concern, but I certainly feel it is valid for debate.

Lawyers are a bit like Congressman, we all seem to have everyone else's, but we love our own.

52 posted on 11/29/2001 7:36:11 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: codebreaker
NO MR. DERSHEWITZ. THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM WOULD BE BLOW HIS WORTHLESS AS* AWAY AS SOON AS HE IS IN THE SIGHTS OF ANY AMERICAN RIFLE.
53 posted on 11/29/2001 7:36:37 AM PST by ZULU
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To: Nora
You are correct!
54 posted on 11/29/2001 7:38:08 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: Elihu Burritt
Given the billions blown in Afghanistan and the blowback from it, it is inexcusable not to publicly air the dirty linen.

I agree, but it won't happen because of Pres. Bush's family's dealings with the Carlyle Group.

55 posted on 11/29/2001 7:53:34 AM PST by japaneseghost
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To: codebreaker
Alan Dershowitz-Defending Osama bin Laden in court as a lawyer is the 'highest form of patriotism'

This is not surprising coming from Alan Dershowitz. But what I'd like to know is: "Alan, would you defend a poor American schmuck who has no money"?

56 posted on 11/29/2001 7:58:25 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Iron Eagle
"One of the problems with reducing payment to counsel for defending the indigent is that no one wants to do it"

Hmmmmm....a lawyer defending an "indigent" terrorist:

Osama: "I was unloved as a child. My parents mistreated me and called me names. That's why I turned to opium for comfort. It wasn't me who plotted all those American deaths, REALLY! It was the opium. I didn't know what I was doing!
< */CROCODILE TEARS>

Lawyer: "Your honor, I request lenience to my client. He's not a monster! He's just a poor, abused child, who grew up and became a drug addict. Under the constant influence of opium, he was unable to differentiate between right and wrong!
<*/CROCODILE TEARS>"

Judge: <THINKING> "WHY didn't Congress go along with military tribunals?"

57 posted on 11/29/2001 8:02:37 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Should have added:

General population after Osama's release leads to next terrorist attack: <REAL TEARS> ...again.

58 posted on 11/29/2001 8:05:00 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: codebreaker
One can measure any lawyer by asking them to list the lawsuits they have instigated against other lawyers for malpractice.
59 posted on 11/29/2001 8:12:16 AM PST by cynicom
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To: codebreaker
dershowitz is a blowhard, but he's right. bin-laden committed a crime against americans, so we certainly have jurisdiction--let's try his ass in new york! and let him have the OJ defense team for all i care, i'm confident the u.s. case could stand up. what are we afraid of?
60 posted on 11/29/2001 8:26:16 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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