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"So you think money is the root of all evil?"
'Atlas Shrugged' | 1957 | Ayn Rand

Posted on 11/27/2001 4:25:49 PM PST by Orion78

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To: Skooz
You believe whomever you like. I never asked you to believe anything. The logical argument is there, written in plain english and if you people would read it, all of it, instead of the first paragraph before you speak, I wouldn't have to keep refering you to post #9. I know the phrase is "The love of money is the root of all evil", and so Rand, which I clearly pointed out in POST #9
41 posted on 11/27/2001 5:08:16 PM PST by Orion78
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To: Orion78
You didnt actually read it did you?

Although not addressed to me, you're right - I didn't read it.

"Or did you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickle, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money - and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know that are able to deserve it."

And I just skimmed this one too. More atheistic tripe from that genius without a soul, Ms. Rand.

To love money is to set it up as one's idol, and is not only sin - but is the epitome of selfish greed.
The author sets up a straw man that to love money is to love work - and to therefore create all kind of wonderful endeavors for mankind. This doesn't fit my experience of people who love money. They tend to find non-productive occupations that produce the maximum amount of revenue for least amount of constructive effort (ambulance chasers; serial sue-ers; etc).
Work is a gift from God. He made Adam a tiller of the garden, and work is the highest form of stewardship. Doing our daily work, whatever and wherever, at our best - is service to God as 'loving our neighbors as ourselves'. Using the gifts of God to their fullest is to acknowledge our gratitude to God.
I like Ms. Rand's politics - but I've never been able to get through more than a paragraph of her writings without getting sick to my stomach. Although claiming to be for freedom she leads her followers into chains:

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

42 posted on 11/27/2001 5:08:20 PM PST by El Cid
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To: Orion78
The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know that are able to deserve it."

Lovers of money are nothing more than slaves of their god. (By the way, that god is named Mammon.)

43 posted on 11/27/2001 5:09:24 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Orion78
It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickle, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money - and he has good reason to hate it.

She must be talking about Morgan and Carnegie (sp?), googooplexing the "nickle" part of course. The coal miners can still spit Morgan with soot in any language. Long live the unions; corrupt as they are, they're nothing but a balancing force.

44 posted on 11/27/2001 5:09:26 PM PST by Aedammair
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To: Kira-USA
Rand is great writer.

This just stuck out to me, for some reason. Care to guess why?

TG

45 posted on 11/27/2001 5:09:50 PM PST by The Grammarian
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To: Orion78
Leave it to godless Ayn Rand to not even get her criticism correct. It is the LOVE of money that is the rooot of all evil. Coming from one of the forerunners of the material girl gang, I'm not surprised she is so blind. Her love of money was part of her downfall as well as being a staunch atheist.

Geesh, are people so dumb or even stupid not to see through her godless and illogical rantings? Don't answer. It's obvious many don't.

46 posted on 11/27/2001 5:13:45 PM PST by nmh
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To: Orion78
I did read it. Rand offers a limp-wristed attempt at a refutation of the biblical phrase. She fails.
47 posted on 11/27/2001 5:14:26 PM PST by Skooz
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To: nmh
Please SEE POST #9
48 posted on 11/27/2001 5:14:47 PM PST by Orion78
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Godless Ayn has to resort to extremes to try and gain crediibilty from other godless wonders. Ayn Rand is one of hte most illogical women who has ever lived. It's not wonder godless LIBERALtarians identify with her. Like her, they are blind hypocrites as well as fools.
49 posted on 11/27/2001 5:15:56 PM PST by nmh
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To: Skooz
With apologies to Rand for my bracketed inclusion:

Run for your life from any man who tells you that [the 'love' of] money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another - their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

50 posted on 11/27/2001 5:17:02 PM PST by tpaine
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To: FourPeas
". Isn't it amazing that misquoting the Bible is one of the favorite ways of discreditting it? "

Amazing? No. They just want to advertise and dazzle you with their terminal ignorance. You see, they are quite proud of it. It's the common ploy of the faith in oneself mentality.

Is it a wonder that the material, selfish and self absorbed LIBERALtarins love her and identify with her? They are just like her - dumb fools.

51 posted on 11/27/2001 5:19:47 PM PST by nmh
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To: nmh
And just in case you need a little more clarification;
SEE POST #41
52 posted on 11/27/2001 5:21:14 PM PST by Orion78
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To: nmh
Let me share a recent message I received that may address what you seem to think 'relates to this topic':

"Your participation on threads should be to discuss the issue at hand, the article topic and any discussion relating to that topic. Anything outside of that range can be cause for suspension."

Of course, if it doesn't, I'll get suspended meself for posting this. Catch 22.

53 posted on 11/27/2001 5:22:06 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Orion78
Remind me to never offer you "A penny for your thoughts."
54 posted on 11/27/2001 5:22:56 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Orion78
Great post, if for no other reason than it demonstrates the large number of people who don't bother reading an article before pontificating on it.
55 posted on 11/27/2001 5:31:56 PM PST by TomB
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To: Old Professer
Don't like it, dont ask.
56 posted on 11/27/2001 5:32:31 PM PST by Orion78
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Hi there. Long time no debate. Have you read the entire piece yet?
57 posted on 11/27/2001 5:32:31 PM PST by riley1992
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To: He Rides A White Horse; FourPeas
Maybe you should READ the article before posting that Ayn Rand is "misquoting" the Bible:
Or did you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickle, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money - and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know that are able to deserve it.

58 posted on 11/27/2001 5:33:02 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
Actually, I've READ the ENTIRE book. Three times.
59 posted on 11/27/2001 5:36:13 PM PST by FourPeas
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Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter.

The ones who scream this the loudest are the ones who produce nothing...

They have no values to trade on the open market...

They must survive by usurping those values necessary to live through theft and fraud...

Who is their anger geared toward???

The value producer...

They use things such as the government who takes those values created by the producer at gunpoint and gives it to others who have not produced the values they recieved...

They use such things as guilt to make the producer feel guily and evil for his own "selfish desires" in increasing his own value to society...

And his guilt will of course disappear as soon as he gives of his earned values to those judged by others as worthy of receiving unearned wealth...

60 posted on 11/27/2001 5:37:46 PM PST by Ferris
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