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"So you think money is the root of all evil?"
'Atlas Shrugged' | 1957 | Ayn Rand

Posted on 11/27/2001 4:25:49 PM PST by Orion78

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To: innocentbystander
Rand rejected Christianity and other religions for one simple reason: Incompatibility with Logic and Reason.

You are absolutely correct. That is exactly what I meant.

What Christianity teaches is both illogical and absurd, and Rand rightly rejected it. My point was, that Christianity, the organized religion, does not teach what the Bible teaches. We don't know what Rand's view would have been if she had ever been introduced to what the Bible actually teaches.

You may be making the same mistake Ayn made, that what Christians say the Bibles says is what it actually says.

Hank

121 posted on 11/27/2001 8:53:00 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: dubyaismypresident
Thanks for the Ping CG, the speach by Hank Reardon is one of the best I ever read. Atlas Shrugged is a masaterpiece. I feel sorry for those who can't look past Rand's atheism. I look past it. Take the good stuff (very good stuff) leave the bad. I believe it is called critical thinking.

Anytime! Not one single person preaches, everything you stand for and live by. It is always better to appreciate the good qualitites others have, agree with them on issues you agree with and absorb whatever good they have to offer.It is perfectly acceptable to disagree with someone on certain issues and still be able to admire them on certain others. Then we have the other extreme, people, who admire a person and any action and stand by that person is acceptable to them. Well, what can you say for these people. Hint: Clinton Voters

OK ayotallah's (you know who you are), flame away. I'm going to bed in asbestos underwear.....for a change.

P.S. CG the second paragraph has nothing to do with you, bud.

Thanks for clearing that up. I guess, it is time for me to search for my fire proof one too. G nite!

123 posted on 11/27/2001 9:03:23 PM PST by Cool Guy
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To: alien2
Well folks, I'm going to bed. I gotta get up and work tommorow and earn some evil money, so good night, I'll check back tommorow after I get home.
124 posted on 11/27/2001 9:04:01 PM PST by Orion78
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"I'm beginning to think how lousy it must feel to type such a lenghthy article, only to have it blown away by post 16."

121 Posts, not to shabby for blowin it at post 16 eh?

126 posted on 11/27/2001 9:07:48 PM PST by Orion78
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To: Askel5
I'm getting warm and fuzzy just reading this thread.
127 posted on 11/27/2001 9:14:50 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: alien2
#100 And you say it is nonsense but you don't explain why. If it is nonsense, then why is it nonsense? Make your case.

That's a fair question. You made a number of statements that were basically unsubstantiated, yourself, but let's just consider the last:

But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak?

No, I don't say that. No, I say the strong become weak at the expense of money.

The statement, "the strong become weak at the expense of money," as it stands, is incapable of meaning. Who do you mean by "the stong?" Are the strong those that make money? Are the strong those that do not make money, but steal it, or cheat others out of it? (I would not consider such strong.) Are the strong those who have their money stolen or are cheated out of it? (I would not consider those who can be easily cheated or robbed strong.)

Of course, I'm guessing, because you provide not even a hint who you consider the strong to be.

And how is it that the "strong" are made week by money? And, what do you mean by, "at the expense," of money? Money is never an expense, it is the means of paying expenses.

If you can answer these questions, you may be able to make sense out of your statement, but I think you can see, as it is, it makes no sense, and is therefore, nonsense.

Hank

128 posted on 11/27/2001 9:21:49 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: innocentbystander
I am not going to attack religion on this thread

I just noticed you said this and thought I would mention I believe you ought to feel free to attack anything you think is false. If what you attack happens to be true, those who know and believe the truth will be able to defend it. If what you attack is false, you will have benefitted everyone who learns from it.

Hank

130 posted on 11/27/2001 9:28:17 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: innocentbystander; Hank Kerchief
Check this out!
132 posted on 11/27/2001 9:45:23 PM PST by Cool Guy
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To: innocentbystander
All right, say he does earn the 400. Does he earn the double billing? Does he really earned what he charges for a xerox?

He only gets the money because he operates in a legitmate racket which allows him to steal.

133 posted on 11/27/2001 9:45:23 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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To: Cool Guy
Thanks for the flag.
135 posted on 11/27/2001 10:03:20 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Anytime!
136 posted on 11/27/2001 10:04:31 PM PST by Cool Guy
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To: innocentbystander
Nevertheless, the religious frequently make assertions based on their religious beliefs, that ought to be refuted, if for no other reason than to point out their views are based on superstition.

I personally believe the Bible, but I reject all superstition (any belief not based on reason from evidence) and mysticism (supposed knowledge without a rational source.) You may be suprised, therefore, that I do believe in revelation, (not mystic revelation, but the kind we all experience when someone explains something to us we could never have learned on our own, like when a blind person is told by a seeing person the light is green and it is safe to cross the street). Most of our knowledge of history is also of that kind.

Hank

137 posted on 11/27/2001 10:08:12 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Orion78
Thanks for posting "The Money Speech" for those of us who "get it" and are able to understand economics. Unfortunately, this pearl will be buried in the mud by the swine hereabouts who regularly check their brains at the door.
140 posted on 11/27/2001 10:53:25 PM PST by Misterioso
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