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Americans want a war on Iraq and we can't stop them
The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 11/27/2001 | Hugo Young

Posted on 11/26/2001 8:53:41 PM PST by Pokey78

Bush is looking for the next target and his country is right behind him

President Bush's prime purpose now is gearing up America for a wider war. "It's not over. It's not over," he told Newsweek, concerned that the people might think otherwise. "Afghanistan is just the beginning," he roared to an audience of soldiers at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. "America has a message for the nations of the world. If you feed a terrorist or fund a terrorist, you're a terrorist."

In Newsweek, he amplified this with reference to one man. "Saddam is evil," he declared for the first time. It could take years to catch Osama bin Laden, he allowed. But many other targets are now on notice of merciless aggression.

You do not hear a single word of similar intensity from any European leader. Even Tony Blair, while regularly reinvoking the global campaign against terror, seldom talks about the enemy with Bush's slavering passion for specific eliminations. The president is mobilising an American national will such as we have not recently seen.

During the cold war it was unquestioning, but static. During Vietnam, it disintegrated. Now the enemy, though invisible, is unmistakable, and the national stirring is deep against him. For the first time, the US was attacked: for the first time, the US doesn't mind if casualties are taken in the name of vengeance or self-protection. For the first time, therefore, public opinion is unambiguously ready to come in behind whatever intervention a president decides he must propose.

One proof of this is what encroachments on their liberties Americans are willing to put up with. Protests against the repressive gospel according to the attorney general, John Ashcroft, are few and far between. A country that guards its constitutional freedoms with meticulous passion is prepared to surrender them with pious indifference. So easy is such submission to raison d'état that the quiet torture of recalcitrant suspects surely cannot be far behind.

Europeans should reflect on this as a measure of the hard-eyed national commitment that differentiates the American mood from that of any other country. This, rather than the diplomatic niceties of coalition building, will mainly determine what happens next.

Though a division over policy is not yet visible among the allies, the gulf of perception seems likely to become significant. The temper of the times will remain sternly hot in the US while, barring more terrorism, it eventually cools in Europe. Far from this campaign yielding a new concert of civilised nations, it will emphasise the deafening control of the trumpeter and conductor. The British piccolo, in particular, will find it harder to be heard. The band continues to play in rough harmony, but only on condition that it follows the unilateral beat of the big bass drum.

In three theatres, you can see this starting to happen. Afghanistan itself has become an American operation. Sure, they needed allies in all adjoining countries, and worked to get them. There's been a huge amount of transatlantic traffic. When aspiring partners, from Italy to Japan, thirsted to get in on the action and prove their manly commitment, they were nominally accepted, their troops probably never to be used. When even the German Greens, at the weekend, voted to take part, a Rubicon of lasting importance to Germany and Europe was crossed.

But Washington remains in unimpeded charge. Behind coalitionist talk, that's how they want it. They speak, moreover, for a different aftermath. Again the verbiage tries to soften this. But when Mr Blair talks about rebuilding Afghanistan and not forgetting it in the peace, it's plain he is sincere whereas Bush's people mouth the words and do not really mean them.

There's nothing wrong with nation-building, but not when it's done by the American military," said Condoleezza Rice not long ago, speaking as the president's closest foreign policy aide. Though Washington is pledged to a large chunk of the $10bn aid Kabul has been promised, it's unlikely to stay and oversee the maintenance of a stable, semi-decent regime to spend it. That's not what the new Bush doctrine, a results-oriented, short-vision construct, is all about.

Second, the world itself will not, I now guess, benefit from a new internationalism. After September 11, many of us wrote optimistically otherwise. A unilateral foreign policy was surely dead and buried. When it comes to collaborating against terror, that may remain so. Washington's withdrawal from the Middle East peace process is also no longer an option. But the other litmus tests seem likely to be failed.

Swift smashing of the Taliban can't plausibly be seen as a platform for reneging on Republican hostility to either the comprehensive test ban treaty or the international criminal court. On the contrary. Seen from Washington, what's being achieved is, among other things, the triumph of an American view of the world that can now be amplified elsewhere.

Third, and most delicately, comes Bush's promise that Afghanistan is not the end but the beginning. Again, many countries are signed up to that. Organised commitment to strangle the finances of terrorism should make a difference. But a choice presents itself, in which it's clear where every EU country, not to mention Russia and most of the Middle East, stands: on the slow road of economic and diplomatic action, rather than the fast track of bulldog threats followed by instant bombing.

Though Iraq may not be the first place that comes under fire, it's by far the most sensitive, and now the president, talking to Newsweek, gives Saddam his warning: let the UN arms-inspectors back in, or face the consequences.

The American mood will tolerate this, perhaps demand it. Not long ago, speculation about the Iraqi option was linked to an anxious need for incontrovertible proof of al-Qaida connections. Now, the test is becoming looser. What looks like a speedy victory in Afghanistan is galvanising US ambitions to be the world's super-enforcer, whatever the problems, for a global cause Americans believe in more clearly than they've believed in anything since the second world war. It's hard to identify a single voice that might be loud enough to stop it.

Least of all Tony Blair's. Though Mr Blair has done a good job as a major builder of the coalition, is it credible that he will count for more than the deep-throated thunder from of the Republican right, smarting with rage to complete the job Bush's father failed to do on Saddam? Most Europeans know which side they're on after the criminal obscenity of September 11. But as time passes, they're drawn ineluctably into a campaign over which they will have ever less influence.

Their support is an essential token, and their networks are vital to the political and economic effort. But when it comes to calling the shots, Washington cannot be denied, at least by Britain. It's impossible to write the speech one could believe Blair might give to defend his withdrawal of support. Maybe he wouldn't want to. But, helplessly drawn along, we will not walk taller in the world.


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To: TUX
Good thought.
21 posted on 11/26/2001 9:43:29 PM PST by RLK
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To: dynamitehack
To be realistic, that's the way we need to look at it.
22 posted on 11/26/2001 9:45:14 PM PST by RLK
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To: Pokey78
Who has watched Starship Troopers, a movie made from a Robert Heinlein story? The Islamics are our allegorical bugs, and its going to be a long war.
23 posted on 11/26/2001 9:45:50 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: AfghanAirShow
I responded to Keith:

We have saved their asses in TWO count them TWO world wars, and stood with them on the Falklands war against those known terrorists, the Argentinians, trying to make the world safe for sheepherders and penguins.

F*** them...next war, they are on their own if they puss out on this one.

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And to the Guardian's headline: Americans want a war with Iraq and We (the Brits) Can't Stop Them

NO, neither the Brits nor the Guardian can stop us, and PM Blair, who's been with us from the start, will surely be with US to the last!

24 posted on 11/26/2001 9:47:09 PM PST by onyx
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To: TUX
It would take decades to significantly change our oil usage, even if we wanted to. I say, don't fret about oil. One of the side benefits of this War on Terrorism thing is that we'll have cheap Middle East oil ad infinitum, not to mention Russian oil coming in over Afghanistan. I really think it's a non-issue.
25 posted on 11/26/2001 9:48:21 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: onyx
"NO, neither the Brits nor the Guardian can stop us, and PM Blair, who's been with us from the start, will surely be with US to the last!"

Wouldn't it be ironic if GWB has to counsel the Brits and tell them not to "go wobbly"?

26 posted on 11/26/2001 9:51:44 PM PST by AfghanAirShow
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To: Pokey78
To quote Mel Brooks in "History of the World. Part 1"..."It's good to be the King!"

It's obvious that this author is appalled by what he sees, but I give him credit for understanding it, and for understanding its implications.

It is probably true that we are at a moment in history when every single nation on this planet could gang up on us, and although they would deliver some mighty blows, in the end they would all be dead, and we would not. I don't say that to be boastful, I'm merely pointing out the same piece of realpolitik that the author did.

There has been a pleasant fiction in Europe for several decades now, which we have indulged so as not to seem arrogant, that what they think matters. What this author is facing, and we might even say 'admitting to,' is that Europe's importance in these matters is a pleasant fiction, and that at the end of the day, the now almost single-minded focus of the United States to rid the world of people who would come over here and kill thousands of our people, is what will decide what happens next. It is the only thing that will decide what happens next.

The long snouts at the New York Times will surely join with their European brethren in expressing horror that we would use our vast military might to go anywhere, to break anything, to bomb aside all opposition if necessary, to rid the Earth of these terrorists. But that is what we are going to do. And the author is right that there's not one damned thing that anybody else can do about it.

Those who wish may come along as allies. If at some point they get cold feet and don't want to be allies anymore, that's fine; we didn't need them anyway. We were giving them an opportunity to make their loyalties known. We'll happily move the drop-outs to the 'no' pile, and move on. What we won't do is let them tell us what we're going to do about people coming over here and blowing things up. At this point, with us, it's "lead, follow, or get out of the way." The author is to be applauded for facing that reality. Too many of them over there are still in Fantasyland on this subject.


27 posted on 11/26/2001 10:00:16 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Pokey78
When it comes to longtime resentment of Judeo-Christian nations, Britain must be near the top of the Islamist list. That they haven't (yet) been terror-struck may well be due to their providing such a cozy nest, for the European Muslim terror-vipers.

But if they get hit big, I expect UK public opinion would reach the US levels, for swift, deadly, firm, unrelenting pursuit of the satanic Islamists. Same for Germany, Italy, Holland, but not likely the Franks.

28 posted on 11/26/2001 10:00:40 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: AfghanAirShow
Wouldn't it be ironic if GWB has to counsel the Brits and tell them not to "go wobbly"?

Yes, but I don't expect that he'll have to do so, do you? PM Blair has been magnificent so far.

29 posted on 11/26/2001 10:07:43 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
It may be neccessary if we pursue military action against Iraq, which is something PM Blair has already expressed reservations about.
30 posted on 11/26/2001 10:16:52 PM PST by AfghanAirShow
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To: AfghanAirShow; MadIvan
Let's ask MadIvan his opinion. He's almost always right!
31 posted on 11/26/2001 10:20:40 PM PST by onyx
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To: Nick Danger
Wonderfully put, and I think you hit the truth dead on. I wish my mind could still put things so clearly and orderly - but my early version servo control system loses data on the hard drive..
Semper Fi
32 posted on 11/26/2001 10:48:39 PM PST by river rat
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To: river rat
They say the memory is the second thing to go.
33 posted on 11/26/2001 11:12:44 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Nick Danger
"They say the memory is the second thing to go."

Not true in every case..
With me it was no better that 6th..
1st - Hearing, too many 106 rounds.
2nd - Legs, One bad jump at night.
3rd - Hair, getting real thin on top.
4th - Freedom, got married
5th - Money, raised a family
6th - Memory
The rest, thank god - is still in tact.
Semper Fi

34 posted on 11/27/2001 12:06:30 AM PST by river rat
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To: Pokey78
Swift smashing of the Taliban can't plausibly be seen as a platform for reneging on Republican hostility to either the comprehensive test ban treaty or the international criminal court. On the contrary. .

Yesssss!!! Our main enemies (euroleftist trash, worse than Muslims or the Chinese IMHO) are starting to see the writing on the wall...Now, if they'd just see that we are NOT going to sign onto Kyoto, and we are NOT going to gut the First Amendment to suit their internet laws, we'll get along fine. Oh, and we're not going to "pool" or national sovereignty into a UN OWG.

35 posted on 11/27/2001 5:21:28 AM PST by kaylar
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To: RLK
"Is there to be a war with the entire Islamic world?"

No, that's what the terrorists want. But, you must not have seen pictures of the liberated Afghanis. I have no problem with using the same techniques to liberate Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, who knows who else. History is clear: liberal democracies do not start foreign wars of agression, whether traditional wars, or 4th generation terrorist wars. Liberating big parts of the world is a strategy that serves both our interests and the interests of the people of those countries. It's a perfect match.

36 posted on 11/27/2001 5:34:42 AM PST by walden
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To: Nick Danger
Superbly put Nick.

The author does not say it, but the bottom line here is force and a willingness to use it. As the Europeans demonstrated so clearly in the Bosnia conflict, they just don't have the belly to put any muscle behind their sentiments. The US and only the US does.

38 posted on 11/28/2001 7:05:26 PM PST by Tokhtamish
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