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Franklin Graham defends comments on Islam(He would not call Islam a "wonderful, peaceful religion,")
startribune ^ | 11/24/2001 | Martha Sawyer Allen

Posted on 11/24/2001 6:57:57 PM PST by KQQL

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:36:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Rev. Franklin Graham said in Minneapolis this week that he is concerned with the way Islamic law is enforced in several countries, and not with the people or the faith itself.

He spoke at a news conference in Minneapolis, where he had come to talk with Billy Graham Evangelistic Association employees about the headquarters' move to North Carolina. He also answered questions about his recent comments that have angered Muslims.


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To: cookcounty
Your post #13

BINGO!

41 posted on 11/24/2001 8:49:56 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: Dialup Llama
"We have found that negative impressions of Islam are most often based on a lack of accurate and objective information"

True. A deeper study of the koran, the hadith, history of Islam, the life of Muhammed, and current events around the globe will dispel the negative impression and replace it with a certainty that Islam is intolerant, violent, and evil.

42 posted on 11/24/2001 8:54:33 PM PST by watchin
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To: KQQL
Interesting first paragraph (emphasis supplied:
The Rev. Franklin Graham said in Minneapolis this week that he is concerned with the way Islamic law is enforced in several countries, and not with the people or the faith itself.
Read the article and see if you can find where Graham said he wasn't concerned with the Islamic faith.

Here's the direct quotes from Graham regarding Islam that I found in the article:

I can't find anything in the story to substantiate the first paragraph that claims the Graham has no problem with the Islam faith "itself."

Can you?


43 posted on 11/24/2001 8:56:04 PM PST by JCH
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To: KQQL
If Islam is not a violent religion, then why are so many who practice it intolerant, boy-buggering, women-hating, religious bigots who do not struggle to justify on theological grounds the intentional murder of countless civilians, including women and children, and the determination to convince young men to commit suicide in the process of killing these civilians?
44 posted on 11/24/2001 8:59:03 PM PST by jrlc
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To: KQQL
Having re-read the article, it seems as though Graham is concerned with countries that employ "Islamic law."

So . . . how could Graham be concerned with countries that employ "Islamic law," yet not be concerned with the faith that the law is based on,?

In other words, what were the facts that lead the author of this piece to tell us that Graham was "not concerned . . . with the faith itself?"

45 posted on 11/24/2001 9:05:02 PM PST by JCH
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To: RLK
Exactly and it's time those of that know the truth keep exposing Islam for what it is.
46 posted on 11/24/2001 9:06:13 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: cookcounty
The "faith" needs a leader, one leader over all of the Islamic faith -- much like, dare I say in this context, the Pope over Catholics and Catholicism, as well as other religions having their leaders. It appears to me in MHO that interpretations of the Koran and Islam vary from individual to individual and group to group. Catholics (me) have their history in the past centuries of "ruthlessness" as well, but the Church reformed itself. Islam has yet to do this, IMHO.
47 posted on 11/24/2001 9:09:53 PM PST by EastCoast
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To: JCH
Good point
48 posted on 11/24/2001 9:37:06 PM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: KQQL
May God Bless Franklin Graham and all others who share his Beliefs. There is absolutely no protection in any Arab country for Christians -- God Bless him for this Crusade.
50 posted on 11/24/2001 10:00:29 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: KQQL
"We have found that negative impressions of Islam are most often based on a lack of accurate and objective information"

After a couple months of Islamic propaganda, I've got all the info I need. I side with Franklin Graham.

51 posted on 11/24/2001 10:15:00 PM PST by etcetera
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To: jrlc
If Islam is not a violent religion, then why are so many who practice it intolerant, boy-buggering, women-hating, religious bigots...

. You need to add "dog hating, baby mutilating" to your rant for completion's sake.

Count me as one of those who hated Islam and dreaded its spread long before 09/11. I've read the Koran (3 times, 2 Wadood, 1 YAA ) and I own and have read quite a few books on Islamic/Arabic/Ottoman/etc history (Kinross, Lapidus, Hourani, Peters, Khaldun, Said, and so forth). To say I was unimpressed with either the religion or the cultures it forms would be the understatement of the millennium. Was it the 8th century Muslim philosopher who described women as a form of life halfway between beast and human which approached humanity closest in two situations : When pregnant with a male infant, or on her back with a portion of the male anatomy in her body? Was it the photo of a Yemeni woman with an iron fetter through her wrist, not around, THROUGH the living bone of her lower arm? Was it the 9 year old girl who was married off to a middleaged man, was confused and tried to run away to be with her mother-and when her "husband" recaptured her, he chopped off both legs at the knee : An act the village imam called "compatable with Islamic law". That obscenity took place in India in 1995. Or maybe it was the Pakistani woman who lost her nose, her eyes, and her lips to her insane husband, who got a few years in prison for his act-and that he got any punishment at all is a miracle. That story can be read in the Sept 2001 issue of Glamour or Cosmopolitan magazine ...can't remember which as I read it in a library. Whatever. I despise this 'religion', and while I do not consider myself anywhere near an expert on Islam, the Middle east, the Ottoman empire, etc, I do feel I know enough to be entitled to my dislike , and to believe it is not founded on total ignorance.

The thing that most annoys me : The idea that because Europeans are white and Arabs & Turks somewhat darker, the entire history of Islam is about its abuse at the hands of Western civilization. That would come as a huge surprise to the peoples of what is now eastern Europe as far west as Austria , up to about 1700.

53 posted on 11/25/2001 5:46:56 AM PST by kaylar
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To: KQQL; All
Here's a good article addressing the LIE of Islam as a peaceful religion.

ISLAM: THE ENDLESS JIHAD
EVIL IN THE NAME OF ALLAH

There is an on-going argument among the intelligentsia that what we are witnessing is a fight between "radical" Islam and "true" Islam. But if you look back to it's very foundation, Islam means peace by submission and obedience ... those that will not submit are to be destroyed.

54 posted on 11/25/2001 10:48:39 AM PST by SusanUSA
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To: Sabertooth
I love Franklin Graham. He tells it like it is!
55 posted on 11/25/2001 12:10:08 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: etcetera
Hm, I wonder if actually reading the Koran counts as a lack of accurate, objective information?

2.24: "..be on your guard against the fire of which men and stones are the fuel; it is prepared for the infidels."
2.89: "...Allah's curse is on the infidels."
2.90: "...there is a disgraceful punishment for the infidels."
2.104: "...for the infidels there is a painful chastiesment."
2.191: "And kill them wherever you find them... such is the recompense for infidels."
3.28: "Let not the believers take the infidels for friends..."
3.131: "And guard yourselves against the fire which has been prepared for the infidels."
4.89: "...if they turn [away from Allah's way], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."
4.101: "...surely the infidels are your open enemy."
4.140: "...surely Allah will gather together the hypcrites and infidels all in hell."
4.144: "...do not take the infidels for friends..."
8.12-13: "...therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Apostle -- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).
8.14: "...for the infidels is the chastisement of fire."
9.29: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah ... until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjugation."
9.49: "...most surely hell encompasses the infidels."
9.68: "Allah has promised ... the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; ...Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment."
9.73: "...strive hard against the infidels .. and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
9.123: "...fight those of the infidels who are near to you, and let them find in you hardness..."
13.14: "...the prayer of the infidels is only in error."
16.27: "...Surely the disgrace and the evil are this day upon the infidels."
17.8: "...We have made hell a prison for the infidels."
18.100: "...We will bring forth hell, exposed to view, on that day before the infidels."
25.52: "So do not follow the infidels, and strive against them mightily."
30.45: "...surely He does not love the infidels."
33.64: "Surely Allah has cursed the infidels and has prepared for them a burning fire..."
42.26: "..the infidels, they shall have a severe punishment."
47.10: "..Allah brought down destruction upon them, and the infidels shall have the like of it."
47.34: "..[those who] die while they are infidels, Allah will by no means forgive them."
66.9: "...strive hard against the infidels... and be hard against them, and their abode is hell..."
67.20: "...The infidels are only in deception."
67.28: "...who will protect the infidels from a painful punishment?"
71.26: "...leave not upon the land any dweller from among the infidels."
80.42: "These are they who are infidels, the wicked."

Of course, this could just be the kind of blinkered literalism that Khatemi is complaining about. Not being a Muslim scholar, just one of the Jews that the Koran describes as "cursed by Allah" (Sura 4.46), who am I to say? I'm only excerpting what I've read in the Koran, with emphasis added in light of September 11.

See also: Vin Suprynowicz and the LVRJ editorial board meets with a representative of Islam

56 posted on 11/28/2001 8:26:26 AM PST by mvpel
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To: mannaboy
BUMP
58 posted on 02/08/2003 6:44:53 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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