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Harry Browne on Hannity and Colmbes (Fox)
Fox News Live ^ | 21 NOV 01 | A Proud Former Libertarian DCBryan1

Posted on 11/21/2001 5:26:22 PM PST by DCBryan1

Harry Browne (big time loser in 2000 elections) is on Fox now...being grilled by...AL DAMATO!?....Harry, you are such a loser...tune in and watch...no wonder Libertarians only got 350k votes out of 50 million.


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To: OldWhig; He Rides A White Horse
"With all the cooking that's going on in my kitchen right now, I'm having a difficult time sticking to politics."

Wife's finally gone to bed and I can now cook in peace.

Turkey has been rubbed down and properly marinated, black beans are soaking, giblets and neck are happily floating around in boiling water in the company of a huge, spanish onion and a bunch of celery, pie filling ready to go. Need to peel yams, and I'll be done until the morning.

Damned near threw all my apples at Harry.

181 posted on 11/21/2001 7:59:26 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I DID read the entire thread ! I was replying to the pontificator, who hadn't SEEN / HEARD Harry, but decided that he could still refute what was FACT, because ...? I inadvertently hit the wrong nic's reply button ( your's ) in my anger.
182 posted on 11/21/2001 8:00:28 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Captain Shady
Reagan claimed to have a libertarian philosophy ,as do many Republicans.

Even I'm a libertarian according to the Reagan definition. That thread of libertarianism means something far more than simply being in favor of smaller and more local government, and fewer and lower taxes. The libertarianism championed by Harry Browne and his pals at FR is a malignant, socially destuctive strain that pays mere lip service to--or even denounces--religion-based morality, self-discipline, personal responsibility, and traditional family life. A libertarian government cannot stand where these foundational virtues are absent.

183 posted on 11/21/2001 8:02:40 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Cuban123
You can be forgiven, you are only 18. But hey, look at the bright side, you act 12! :-)
184 posted on 11/21/2001 8:02:55 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
OK, I admit that my attempt to use your statements as premises in a logical argument equating you with Harry Browne was weak at best. Given time and greater mental focus, I suppose I could give it better shot, but I trust you understood my point.

Just understand that I don't think it is fair to pass judgement on libertarianism (little L) as a broad philosophical approach to government because of statements made by the head of the Libertarian (big L) party. As I stated in a previous post, I can identify with libertariansim to a large degree, but refuse to adopt a single, all defining label, which is rather silly. I am a Republican as a practical matter only. I don't believe there is any such thing as a "Republican" philosophy with respect to the political party, the platform notwithstanding. Like it or not, it is a coalition of groups with many different and often opposing ideas. I cringe every time I hear broad, sweeping generalities about libertarians. It is stupid, logically invalid and wrong. What about the "little l" libertarians as a faction within the Republican party? Would you hold THEM responsible for Browne's statements too?

Too often, politics by many here take on no greater meaning or depth than rooting for a football team. Half the people here railing against "libertarians" have demonstrated all too often that they don't even no what it is they are bashing. They simply think:

"Me Republican, He Libertarian. Republican Consevative. Libertarian Sound Liberal. Must Be Same. Libertarians Suck. Think I Will Post a Libertarians Suck Vanity."

I am not accusing you of this personally because I didn't note everything you have said here, other than the "the rest are responsible" statement for which I should have sought greater clarification.

Keep in mind that these thoughts are coming from somebody who far from agrees with everything in the Libertarian platform and considers himself very conservative in personal philosophy and lifestyle with a libertarian streak, especially applied to governmental power, to preserve my freedom to be who I am. So I am often criticizing my own for being ignorant here.

185 posted on 11/21/2001 8:04:02 PM PST by bluefish
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To: Freeman Patrick Henry
Yes. Liberalism has a strong conservative thread throughout. It's impossible, sista.

What has confused slaveman, and many libertarians, is that fact that as a political movement, not necessarily as a philosophical viewpoint, Libertarianism is nothing but a faction without the overall conservative movement. The most it ever can, or has, accomplished is to ensure the election of the least libertarian candidates in the election, as in Washington state last November.

This started in the late 1960's when the leaders of the libertarian wing of conservatism decided that their own personal power would be enhanced by deliberately alienating the libertarian conservative rank and file from the overall conservative movement by emphasizing the issues with which there were disagreements over those in which there was agreement.

186 posted on 11/21/2001 8:05:28 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: nopardons
Easy there, nopardons......no fire from my quarters.
187 posted on 11/21/2001 8:06:19 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: nopardons
If you were paying attention, many Libertarian leaning folks, have said, quite plainly, that this was just IT for them.

All the usual suspects who claim to be leaning that way. I have my doubts.

188 posted on 11/21/2001 8:07:07 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: tpaine
. . . fanatical fundamentalist creeps you are allies with . . .

An apt description of the rigid know-it-all atheist libertarians that pontificate here.

189 posted on 11/21/2001 8:07:09 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
personal responsibility

Please list the instances when any true libertarian ever denounced personal responsibility or withdraw your latest lie.

190 posted on 11/21/2001 8:10:02 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Kevin Curry
personal responsibility

Please list the instances when any true libertarian ever denounced personal responsibility or withdraw your latest lie.

191 posted on 11/21/2001 8:11:03 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Kevin Curry
personal responsibility

Please list the instances when any true libertarian ever denounced personal responsibility or withdraw your latest lie.

192 posted on 11/21/2001 8:11:06 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Kevin Curry
I'm the most flexible agnostic you will ever meet kevin.

Why, I'd even fight for your freedom.

[Dispite the fact that you would sell your soul back to big brother in the next hot minute]

193 posted on 11/21/2001 8:15:03 PM PST by tpaine
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To: nopardons
Do you own cats? Like, many? Just trying to get a mental picture.
194 posted on 11/21/2001 8:18:12 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: DCBryan1
I consider myself a libertarian, but I voted and volunteered for bush. Why? Because harry browne and the libertarians didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything. That's the truth.

And why would they pick harry browne to run? The man has absolutely zero charisma. To paraphrase something I read on the net "Harry Browne couldn't lead a bus full of alcholics to a bar on nickel beer night".

195 posted on 11/21/2001 8:20:14 PM PST by good_ash
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To: Robert-J
Ever since September 11, the libertarians here have showed their true colors. The majority of them are anti-American slime. They are not just against big government, they are against the American system of government. Many of them have been disloyal. They are disproportionately atheist. Many of them have turned moslem apologist. Not that they like moslems, so much, as they wish to side with the enemies of Christianity. Honestly, libertarians suck.

This is slander. Anyone who posts such lies sucks.

196 posted on 11/21/2001 8:20:34 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
What has confused slaveman, and many libertarians, is that fact that as a political movement, not necessarily as a philosophical viewpoint, Libertarianism is nothing but a faction without the overall conservative movement. The most it ever can, or has, accomplished is to ensure the election of the least libertarian candidates in the election, as in Washington state last November.

I agree with you wholeheartedly here. As you will note from my prior reply as well, this is the very reason I am a Republican. I have a better understanding as to what it is you have a problem with now.

197 posted on 11/21/2001 8:21:20 PM PST by bluefish
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To: DCBryan1
i was sad to see this. harry did not do justice to the libertarians. as a republican, i have found some issues i disagree with the libertarians about, however, i would much rather see a lib than a dem -- far and away.

i hope things go better next time.

198 posted on 11/21/2001 8:22:56 PM PST by mlocher
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To: Torie
Can't. I didn't see the show, so I don't know what he said that deserved such an onslaught. If you guys could stop using the Left's smear tactics for a few minutes and start critiquing the message rather than the messenger, then I can determine whether or not I want to put a dog in that fight. For now, it looks like on heck of a waste of bandwidth. Zero information, zero debate, zero entertainment, and zero purpose. Can we please get back to acting in a way that would merit respect and attention? These character assassinations should be beneath us.

(I may very well argree with every opinion you guys have made here... but no one will ever know if you don't actually make a point based on what the man actually said. Has the Right fallen so far so quickly that Clinton-tactics are now the first line of defense?)

199 posted on 11/21/2001 8:23:33 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: bluefish
What about the "little l" libertarians as a faction within the Republican party? Would you hold THEM responsible for Browne's . .

My basic position on political libertarianism I outlined in #186 above, I have been assortiated with many of the people involved in the developing relationships between conservatives and libertarians over the last 40 years, and do distinguish between Libertarians, and Libertarian Party members. But it is a little harder to do what some have tried to do here, to distinguish Libertarian Party members from their titular leader and 2 time national Presidential nominee.

200 posted on 11/21/2001 8:24:23 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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