Posted on 11/19/2001 3:13:11 PM PST by PJ-Comix
You must really think that the Wizard of Oz and Casper the Friendly Ghost are Satanic. Both have good witches as characters.
In a nutshell, illogical and godless:
"Wicca does not have anything to do with Satan."
LOL! It's ALL about satan, idiot.
"If Muslims and Christians were as laid back and non-threating as Wicca the WTC would still be standing."
Comparing apples to oranges - Muslims and Christians
I don't know any wiccans but I do know Christians and they ARE laid back and non threatening. It's too bad you find BOTH threatening. Neither threatens me. Christians had NOTHING to do with the WTC. It was radical muslims that downed that building.
"Christians and Muslims have no problem attacking anothers faith, but they can not stand any sort of put down."
Radical muslims attacked us in NY. Christians don't "attack" others. What a Christian may do, as you are now, is exercise their First Amendment Rights and state their disagreement. Apparently you believe this is ONLY YOUR right to ATTACK OTHERS. It is YOU who can't stand to be put down.
In short, you are an example of your own hypocrisy. Congrats you made an ass out of yourself.
I WROTE: The example you cite proves the anti-Potter perspective instead of the other way around. The old fairy tales that portray witches and their craft as evil bolsters the Potter critics. Most of the classic fairy tales involve people who suffer as victims of spells and witchcraft. The villains tend to be the ones casting the spell. The heroes try to overcome the debilitating effects of such evil mischeif.
You must really think that the Wizard of Oz and Casper the Friendly Ghost are Satanic. Both have good witches as characters.
PLEASE NOTE:The example you cite [a very evil Queen with magic poison apples...in "Snow White"] proves the anti-Potter perspective instead of the other way around. The old fairy tales that portray witches and their craft as evil bolsters the Potter critics. Most of the classic fairy tales involve people who suffer as victims of spells and witchcraft. The villains tend to be the ones casting the spell. The heroes try to overcome the debilitating effects of such evil mischeif.
By the way,I thought that by including the Biblical citations on the subject, some on this thread might understand why many Christians are not jumping on the Harry Potter bandwagon. It is obvious that many on these boards do not know what the Bible says about the subject of witchcraft and sorcery.
If you want to tuck your kids in bed at night with, or can't get them interested in reading except by, involving them in the what is described below, I'm sure no argument from me will stop you:
In HARRY POTTER AND THE SORCERER'S STONE, since Drug Use is essential in achieving higher consciousness, Harry and his friends learned to create drugs! Listen to Professor Snape explain: "I don't think you will really understand the beauty of the softly simmering cauldron with its shimmering fumes, the delicate power of liquids that creep through human veins, bewitching the mind, ensnaring the senses, I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death . . . What would I get if I added powered root of asphodel to an infusion of wormwood?" [P. 137] The plant, wormwood, contains thujone, an hypnotic drug, banned by the FDA since 1915 [Christian News, "Latest Potter Book Meets Cautionary Response From Christians, July 17, 2000] ; further, wormwood is used to make Absinthe, a hallucinogenic liquor. Further, look at the accurate description such drugs have on the senses: "creep through human veins" ... "bewitching the mind" ... "ensnaring the senses"...
Chuck Colson of Watergate fame defends Potter by telling Christian parents that the magic in Harry Potter books is the "good" magic. It is purely mechanical, as opposed to occultist. That is, Harry and his friends cast spells, read crystal balls but they don't make contact with a supernatural world."
Pastor David J. Meyer, a former witch, said, "I have been studying the occult (both White and Black Magic) for 16 years. Harry Potter is not a story of good versus evil; it is a story of White Magic Witchcraft versus Black Magic Witchcraft.” Famous Satanist Anton LaVey called this differentiation nonsense. "White magic is supposedly utilized only for good or unselfish purposes, and black magic, we are told, is used only for selfish or 'evil' reasons. Satanism draws no such dividing line. Magic is magic, be it used to help or hinder." [The Satanic Bible, Page 51].
Sirius is one of the most important characters in this book. He is constantly on guard to protect Harry. Listen to occult writer M. Temple Richmond, writing in his book, "Sirius," p. 29:" . . . Sirius is the Keeper of Hell! The Egyptians also called him Set.” Christian author, Bill Schonebelen, former practicing Satanist, says that the Egyptian worship of Set was truly abominable. He says Set was worshipped with obscene, homosexual rituals." Thus, when Harry is related to Sirius, he is related to Satan himself! And when Sirius comes to Harry's aid time and again, Harry is being delivered by Satan!
In the books, Sirius is depicted as a grossly misunderstood good guy who is really wonderful in his heart of hearts. This depiction matches exactly the belief of the occultist, who believes that Lucifer is really the good guy, misunderstood by many.
The God of the Bible is always pictured in the occult as the real bad guy. In the books, Lord Voldemort is cast as the ultimate adversary of Sirius. Of course, the ultimate adversary of Satan in the Bible is Jehovah God. Harry really knows how to pick his friends, huh?
Harry also learns a new vocabulary, including words such "Azkaban", "Circe", "Draco", "Erised", "Hermes", and "Slytherin"; all of which are names of real devils or demons in ancient pagan relgions.
None of my criticisms of the plagiarized Harry Potter world are going to have any significant effect on the largely non-Christian world's enthusiasm for it. I don't expect non-Christians to care what the Christian Bible says, but it does amaze me that many professing Christians have no more concern over Scriptural admonitions than the non-Christian general public.
Sleep tight, kiddies.
Gal.5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Rev.21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Actually, I spend a lot of time teaching the children how to spell words correctly, and how to use proper grammar. You should try it too.
One problem with these tracts and exposes is that they lie to prove their point. The above statement is a lie. I just saw Harry Potter and he won over Voldemort, not because he was the most powerful, but because of his mother's love. Voldemort explicitly made the "power ueber alles" speech and Harry Potter rejected it at the threat of losing his own life. Schnoebelen is at best misrepresenting Harry Potter, but he knows better, he's lying.
Wiccans do not worship Satan.
Tony
I have a link to the Original Dungeons and Dragon Jack Chick, I have the Movie Theatre does Jack Chick Dungeons and Dragons, but I cant find the parody of it.
Do you have a link.
Cheers Tony
Acts 8:9 Acts 8 Acts 8:8-10 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Acts 8:11 Acts 8 Acts 8:10-12 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
Galatians 3:1 Galatians 3 Galatians 3:1-2 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Galatians 5:20 Galatians 5 Galatians 5:19-21 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Acts 16:15-17 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
Conceptually, I think the difference is between "ritual" or pastoral law and natural law.
Natural law is the law that is written on the human heart (see Deuteronomy), that is permanent, and that is knowable by all people. I'm no expert on the Levitical law, but I think these laws can be viewed as God's "pastoral laws."
For example, many of the societies surrounding Israel in Levitical times were polytheists and worshipped created things, like animals. Even Israel succumbed to worship of the golden calf.
So we see that God ordered the Jews to sacrifice animals on a continual basis. Perhaps one reason for this was pastoral, to prevent the Jews from worshipping animals.
Pastoral edicts are subject to changing cultural conditions. Natural law, on the other hand, is permanent: things like adultery, lying, idolatry, theft, murder, and coveting are always wrong.
This is reaffirmed in Scripture. In the New Testament, Paul continually reminds us that we are free from the Old Law. However, the "new" commandment, that we love God wholeheartedly and that we love our neighbor as ourselves, is far more sweeping than the Levitical laws or even the Ten Commandments because, not only are we prohibited from certain sins, but we are obligated to do good works.
In HARRY POTTER AND THE SORCERER'S STONE, since Drug Use is essential in achieving higher consciousness, Harry and his friends learned to create drugs! [....] The plant, wormwood, contains thujone, an hypnotic drug, banned by the FDA since 1915 [Christian News, "Latest Potter Book Meets Cautionary Response From Christians, July 17, 2000] ; further, wormwood is used to make Absinthe, a hallucinogenic liquor. Further, look at the accurate description such drugs have on the senses: "creep through human veins" ... "bewitching the mind" ... "ensnaring the senses"...
Um.... do you know what the term 'magic potion' means? It's imaginary, for one thing. The potions in Harry Potter don't actually have side effects resembling drugs. Some are medicinal, some have magical effects. Your quotes come from a character who's kinda - weird, not exactly a hero for readers, anyway.
Chuck Colson of Watergate fame defends Potter by telling Christian parents that the magic in Harry Potter books is the "good" magic. It is purely mechanical, as opposed to occultist. That is, Harry and his friends cast spells, read crystal balls but they don't make contact with a supernatural world."
Well, he's right! And if you'd read the books you'd know that divination is the only form of magic that doesn't appear to work. At all. Harry and his friends have never been able to predict the future; their teacher has, only once, and that wasn't even her doing.
Famous Satanist Anton LaVey called this differentiation nonsense. "White magic is supposedly utilized only for good or unselfish purposes, and black magic, we are told, is used only for selfish or 'evil' reasons. Satanism draws no such dividing line. Magic is magic, be it used to help or hinder." [The Satanic Bible, Page 51].
We're, uh, taking quotes from Satanists??!! I thought I'd seen the worst of this Potter-bashing before, but now...
Sirius is one of the most important characters in this book. He is constantly on guard to protect Harry. Listen to occult writer M. Temple Richmond, writing in his book, "Sirius," p. 29:" . . . Sirius is the Keeper of Hell! The Egyptians also called him Set.” Christian author, Bill Schonebelen, former practicing Satanist, says that the Egyptian worship of Set was truly abominable. He says Set was worshipped with obscene, homosexual rituals." Thus, when Harry is related to Sirius, he is related to Satan himself! And when Sirius comes to Harry's aid time and again, Harry is being delivered by Satan!
This is 'stark raving nutters' to use a favorite quote of my own. Sirius Black is not Satan. His name is taken from the Dog Star - Sirius - because he's an animagus (wizard who can become an animal at will. The animal he can become is a gigantic black dog. Hence his name is... Sirius Black.) Sirius is also not related to Harry; he was Harry's father's best friend, and Harry's godfather. He was, indeed, framed for crimes he did not commit.
In the books, Sirius is depicted as a grossly misunderstood good guy who is really wonderful in his heart of hearts. This depiction matches exactly the belief of the occultist, who believes that Lucifer is really the good guy, misunderstood by many.
Well... he is! He's got his problems - apparently he has no common sense and a bad temper, which is why he ended up in prison for crimes he didn't commit. He's got nothing to do with Satan. I should know; I've read the books. Have you?
The God of the Bible is always pictured in the occult as the real bad guy. In the books, Lord Voldemort is cast as the ultimate adversary of Sirius. Of course, the ultimate adversary of Satan in the Bible is Jehovah God. Harry really knows how to pick his friends, huh?
Now you're equating Voldemort, the most evil wizard to ever live, with God?! Good grief! Voldemort wants to take over the world, win immortality, destroy anyone who opposes him, and generally make life miserable for everyone else. Harry and his friends - including Sirius Black - are on the side of the good guys, trying to stop him.
Harry also learns a new vocabulary, including words such "Azkaban", "Circe", "Draco", "Erised", "Hermes", and "Slytherin"; all of which are names of real devils or demons in ancient pagan relgions.
I keep seeing this claim and have been unable to get anyone to verify it. Circe, Hermes, and Draco are names from classical mythology. 'Erised' is 'Desire' spelled backwards. Slytherin and Azkaban are chosen from the pictures those words conjured - Azkaban is a prison, so she picked a word similar to 'Alcatraz'; Slytherin brings to mind images of snakes and creepy things, suited to a not-so-nice group of people.
Again, did you read the books? Are these your own criticisms or someone else's? I'm not attacking you personally, just your fallacious arguments.
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