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Alliance warns British troops to stay away
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 11/17/2001 | RICHARD BEESTON AND MICHAEL EVANS

Posted on 11/16/2001 3:12:43 PM PST by Pokey78

THE Northern Alliance issued a veiled threat against British forces in Afghanistan yesterday, complaining that it had not been informed in advance about their arrival and giving a warning against the sending of more ground troops into the country.

As British, American and French troops spread across northern Afghanistan, checking out airfields for possible use by coalition forces in future operations, the Alliance leadership insisted that it did not want foreign forces in the capital.

The warnings were issued by Ahmad Wali Massoud, the Northern Alliance envoy to London and de facto Afghan ambassador. Mr Massoud’s views were echoed by the Alliance’s newly installed foreign and interior ministries in Kabul, which suggested that the British troops “go back”.

Ismail Khan, one of the leading Afghan military commanders, described the deployment as a mistake.

Even the French operation appeared to run into difficulties. President Karimov of Uzbekistan, whose country is supposed to be a staging post for French forces, said: “I know nothing about it and our Government knows nothing about it.” But of far greater concern to the planned deployment this weekend of hundreds more British soldiers, part of a 4,000-strong force on standby for Afghanistan, were Mr Massoud’s remarks. They coincided with a general hardening of positions by the newly installed authorities in Kabul.

“We were not told the British troops were arriving at Bagram,” he told The Times. “We do not know why they are there. Foreign armies should be careful about going into Afghanistan.”

Mr Massoud said that if they were there to clear mines and reopen the airport for humanitarian flights, then the Alliance would have no objections. But he added that Afghanistan did not want outside forces taking part in peacekeeping duties or interfering in internal politics.

“We have control of Kabul. We do not need foreign troops in our capital. It is not a good idea to say, ‘We are sending troops to Afghanistan no matter what’,” said Mr Massoud, the brother of Ahmed Shah Massoud, the Alliance military commander assassinated in September.

A Foreign Office spokesman insisted last night that the Alliance had been informed “at the highest levels”, but the row could have more to do with politics than poor co-ordination.

The Alliance, made up of a motley collection of ethnic leaders and regional warlords, was until last week squeezed into a tiny pocket of territory in the north. Now it controls most of the country and is clearly beginning to flex its political muscles. It evidently resents plans for the deployment of a possible “stabilisation force” in Kabul and is resisting attempts by the international community to force it to share power.

Lakhdar Brahimi, the United Nations representative on Afghanistan, last night accused the Alliance of delaying efforts to hold a meeting on the country’s future. The same charge was made by aides to Zahir Shah, the former King, seen as a key figure in arranging any post-war government.

The UN has been trying to arrange a meeting of leading Afghan figures on neutral ground, but the Alliance has insisted that it should be in Kabul and arranged by Afghans. The issue is expected to dominate talks this weekend as Francesc Vendrell, the UN envoy to Kabul, arrives there today.

Yesterday 100 British commandos from the Royal Marines’ Special Boat Service continued reconnaissance work at Bagram airfield, north of Kabul, and US specialist troops were at Mazar-i Sharif and Herat. A French advance party was also at Mazar-i Sharif.

British defence sources said that coalition aircraft were also flying over parts of southern Afghanistan to check on the availability of airbases for future landing sites.


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1 posted on 11/16/2001 3:12:43 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
These characters seem to be getting kinda bossy.
2 posted on 11/16/2001 3:22:14 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Pokey78
I'm not sure this is really a veiled threat. Any Afghan would know how volatile the response of the average armed Afghan could be when presented with a white-looking foreign soldier. And the N. Alliance government knows that they don't have anything like full control over that country, even the areas that are marked in their color on the map. Any pissed off warlord could start lynching some of these foreigners and they'd have a hard time stopping it.

On the propaganda front, we have to concentrate on doing everything possible to make it clear to these people that we don't want to occupy their country and that is going to be a VERY hard thing to convince them of - especially since we are now vigorously courting the Russians and the Afghans have memories of fighting off men from the British Empire. People ought not forget that we are dealing with Asians; we don't value face like they do, so it's a good deal for us to let them save as much of it as possible.

3 posted on 11/16/2001 3:24:45 PM PST by American Soldier
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To: Pokey78
Mr Massoud said that if they were there to clear mines and reopen the airport for humanitarian flights, then the Alliance would have no objections

Obviously Mr Masssoud is a clymer who thinks that the Northern Alliance actually beat the Taliban forces by themselves.

4 posted on 11/16/2001 3:29:26 PM PST by janus
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To: American Soldier
I think I'm becoming a isolationist. All these countries are ticking me off! They don't care what happens to their countries, they only care about power.

Now Kuwait is against us and for Bin Laden. What asswipes!

We should have let Iraq take them over.

5 posted on 11/16/2001 3:32:35 PM PST by Missy35
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To: Pokey78
Ahem. Look, if these boys want to mix it up fine, we'll just drop a few down their stove-pipe. I'd put them on the same notice the Taliban got. There's not going to be another represive junk-yard government in Ashcanistan. If you make one move towards not playing ball we'll finish the job. "Get it?"
6 posted on 11/16/2001 3:33:34 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: American Soldier
People ought not forget that we are dealing with Asians; we don't value face like they do, so it's a good deal for us to let them save as much of it as possible.

Still, we have to have a stable setting for the search for Bin Laden & Company and for the return of the refugees. And these NA warlords need adult supervision.

7 posted on 11/16/2001 3:34:41 PM PST by codeword
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To: janus
Tell you guys what, then next one that opens his fat yap over there, let's just drop one down the old stove pipe. Then the next and the next until these guys begin to get the picture.
8 posted on 11/16/2001 3:35:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
This is exactly why the US government didn't clear they way for these guys early on. I'm sure we knew they would simply be the next big problem.
9 posted on 11/16/2001 3:36:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: American Soldier
I know where you're coming from on the saving of face, but we have a right to save face too. The fact is, we're not going to tolerate another fanatical government to set up shop over there. If we did it would only be a matter of time before they'd be taking Laden's place. And then in 2010, we'd have people saying that we should never have abandoned Ashcanistan in 2001. Hey, they'd be right. Those guys trying to grab power need the law laid down to them. If they don't get it the easy way, a few object lessons should be forthcoming. IMO
10 posted on 11/16/2001 3:40:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Pokey78
Pretty stupid of them. We do know their positions more so than the Taliban forces. We can conduct air strikes and ground assaults with more precision against them.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 5:02:45 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: janus
No, Mr. Masood is a wise man. We do have to make clear that we are NOT there to occupy the country, that we have business to take care of. Some of it has to do with getting humanitarian aid to the people so they don't starve to death this winter, and the rest is the capture and removal of all Al-Quaida personnel.

Common sense tells you that this should have been made abundently clear before we land in their country. Our guys are on the ground, I don't want people shooting at them from both sides. A meeting with a couple of the top commanders would have this operation moving like silk.

13 posted on 11/16/2001 5:13:05 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: forummonkey
These Northern Alliance boys are getting way too arrogant. Who do the hell do they think won this war? I hope Bush asserts himself and lets these jokers know in no uncertain terms who is calling the shots here.

No problem from a NYer. I'd let our guys (US) and the Brits finish "washing the windows" and then get the frig out. By the time the French show up, the Russians will have this all under control. They are the local forces in that part of the World. Let 'em keep it. Does anyone think that we (US) or the Brits give a sh!t about that rotten piece of real estate? We have the same barren real estate here in the US. It's referred to as "the Badlands" in South Dakota.

14 posted on 11/16/2001 5:13:46 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: McGavin999
I think they're less concerned about us occupying their country and more concerned about UN "nation building" types settling in.
15 posted on 11/16/2001 8:17:52 PM PST by schmelvin
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To: schmelvin
Well, they invited the UN in. The problem is, they don't all speak with one voice. What a shame Masood didn't live to see this day.
16 posted on 11/16/2001 8:21:50 PM PST by McGavin999
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