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NO SIGNS OF ENGINE FAILURE!
FOX News

Posted on 11/13/2001 1:05:28 PM PST by X-Servative

At the NTSB press conference, they just stated that both engines appear to be intact and that there are no signs of engine failure, according to George Black, NTSB Boardmember.


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To: X-Servative
My suspicions have always gone to sabatoge. I hope I'm wrong.

I was out saving the economy (what freeper ladies might know as "retail therapy") today and heard a few lady seniors saying they didn't believe it was 'just' an accident. They each thought either the gov't doesn't know yet or is keeping it to themselves so we'll go on about our business.

361 posted on 11/13/2001 3:39:55 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: floriduh voter
I've heard reports like that too, but from newsreaders, not knowledgable sources. Another poster earlier mentioned that over 250 knots was illegal under 10,000 feet.

That being said, it's possible the plane was going faster if the speculation is true that the pilots were attempting an energency acceleration to stabilize the plane.

I'm just waiting for the facts.


362 posted on 11/13/2001 3:40:30 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Ada Coddington
On the manifest ...
I saw it on the AP wire this morning. Mostly D.R. citizens. Why?
363 posted on 11/13/2001 3:41:00 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: cdwright
Click on the picture, it's a link to an article posted on FR.
364 posted on 11/13/2001 3:41:21 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: John Jamieson
Airbus Model A319, A320, and A321

Different ships, but yeah, a failure of the type this proposed AD seeks to guard against might have led to a flap of skin vibrating in the airstream, which could in turn have caused a stabilizer to flutter and fail... in theory.

The metallurgists will be able to tell us if this happened. If flutter causes a metal structure to fail it usually bends back and forth a lot, like bending a beer can to break it in two. If it failed because it was subjected to a single sudden overstress, it will be deformed in totally different ways. I suspect you know that, JJ (grin) but I am preaching to the bulk of the congregation here.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

365 posted on 11/13/2001 3:41:40 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Dan Day
When the NTSB makes its final report, I will have MORE trust in it after reading the comments of people on this thread who are experts and have enough respect for our intelligence to explain the how's and why's of the relevant technical information. That is, IF the NTSB's findings make any sense in light of same. I agree with another poster here: the authorities saying "There is no evidence it was sabotage" before the ashes stop smouldering is an insult. The government is not telling us much; people are naturally curious and you can't blame them for trying to piece it together themselves. I really think the intelligent response should be something more than 'duh, I'll wait for the final report.' What we're trying to do here is marshall the facts and get some background research BEFORE that time. We're not conspiracy nuts, just good citizens trying to be informed!
366 posted on 11/13/2001 3:42:08 PM PST by Jerez
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To: Jennifer in Florida
--once again, I had to turn and yell at my resident aircraft 'expert" here, the retired stewardess. She sez that's usually what happens if the plane gets caught in massive turbulence from another aircraft's passage. It's rattles like crazy, gets all shook up. Could be also any number of other mechanical defects, this things breaks, causes this other thing to break, which leads to yet 15 more things breaking, and etc. In a car, you pull over to the side of the road, in a plane, you pull over to the pearly gates.
367 posted on 11/13/2001 3:42:26 PM PST by zog
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To: eno_
"Who . . . is man enough to admit they were wrong.

So it has been conclusively established that the plane was brought down by terrorists?
368 posted on 11/13/2001 3:42:44 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: John Jamieson
Excellent find.
369 posted on 11/13/2001 3:43:30 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Iwo Jima
But I am not sure what form "bomb evidence" would take.

On this board, all you need is a couple of dozen posters to say "In my mind it was a bomb.", and a few dozen more to answer "Damn right, and anyone that believes otherwise is an idiot.".

That appears to be all the evidence that is necessary to indict any non-conspiracy theorists as government shills.

370 posted on 11/13/2001 3:44:09 PM PST by Yankee
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To: Map Kernow
We the people elect our representatives. We the people can turn out liars. I think that's what we did last Nov. Now, if you're saying that we just have a new set of liars, I'd ask for evidence of a record of lying that this administration has.

So "they" would lie to save American Airlines? Not particularly compelling motivation since this (and all other) airlines are negatively impacted with any outcome of this investigation. But if you want to stick with that argument, the logical conclusion is that this administration would lie to the American people to save a single business. While I would believe that the last administration would lie to destroy a single business (MS), I have no indication from the last 10 months that Bush is that kind of man.

Regardless, if it is proved that this administration has lied to us over this incident (because they don't want us to know there are terrorists that we are at war with?) - I'll gladly admit that the president is the scum you are suggesting he is.

P.S. Don't bother with the attempts to unravel the NTSB from the President. You know as well as I do that it would take a coordinated conspiracy at ALL levels to pull off what you are suggesting.

371 posted on 11/13/2001 3:44:43 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: MindBender26
No Side Stick for 300-600.

Just "Old School Yolk"
372 posted on 11/13/2001 3:45:24 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Steve_Seattle
Don't even try logic with this crowd tonight. It appears to be going nowhere....
373 posted on 11/13/2001 3:45:58 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: is_is
The plane was so low at takeoff, maybe not.
374 posted on 11/13/2001 3:47:42 PM PST by DB
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To: John Jamieson
I'm sorry, John, what is the relevance of the airworthiness directive for other Airbus models?
R U suggesting as others have that Airbus whatever the model is is not safe?
And, that as a consequence, that a vertical stabilizer could fall off of an A300 at takeoff,
causing sufficient instability in the airframe at max engine power to wrip both engines and the left wing off?
376 posted on 11/13/2001 3:49:21 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: newzjunkey
heard a few lady seniors saying they didn't believe it was 'just' an accident.

That must be the old women that I saw diving into Jamaica Bay, and scouring the evidence at the crash site.

I'll be sure and factor their opinions into my thought process.

377 posted on 11/13/2001 3:49:22 PM PST by Yankee
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To: Yankee
I have no expertise whatsoever in aviation mechanics or theory.

I see..."let the experts handle it," hunh? Well, listen: if you have the necessary IQ to be an informed democratic citizen, you can think for yourself. You don't have to let government officials who claim to have "more information" than you do it---you don't even have to have aviation experts do it for you.

For the last 36 hours, before the flames were extinguished, before the black boxes were found, I've heard that this was "just an accident," that there was some bird that flew into the engine, that there was "uncontained engine failure," that the pilot had dumped fuel, that there was nothing unusual heard in the cockpit before the crash. All from government officials or their spokesmen. All later shown to be false or unsubstantiated.

And maybe you don't remember, but 60 days ago there was an aviation disaster that was due to two airliners "mechanically failing" to fly through two skyscraper towers without blowing up and destroying the buildings. And the people who caused that "mechanical failure" have announced they expect some more.

So I guess we have to part ways on this, buddy. All the tiresome sarcasm you and your codependents can muster won't prevent me from examining what the government says about this disaster with a critical mind. If that means I'm a "tinfoil hat brigadier," then I've just bought stock in Alcoa, pal.

379 posted on 11/13/2001 3:50:30 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: Criminal Number 18F
The picture and video do not indicate this type of failure.
380 posted on 11/13/2001 3:50:36 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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