NO SIGNS OF ENGINE FAILURE!

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[X-Servative]

At the NTSB press conference, they just stated that both engines appear to be intact and that there are no signs of engine failure, according to George Black, NTSB Boardmember.

[Yankee]

I'm right here.

All they have concluded is that there was no engine failure, or birds.

It's still a sizable leap from there to deliberate sabotage.

But I'm sure the NTFSB (National Tin-foil Safety Board) has concluded their investigation, based on intense scrutiny of FOX news images of an engine in a gas station.

Exactly what evidence did you examine first hand professor?

Here's a novel concept: How about waiting till the government actually completes an investigation and issues their findings, before we call them liars?

[anniegetyourgun]

Hear what they want to hear? I see lots of that.

Nobody wants to hear this is an accident? You mean we all want it to be terrorists? Why? Is there some advantage to that being the desired outcome of this investigation? Does the government have a desired outcome of the investigation in your opinion? If so, what is that outcome, and what is their motivation for not coming clean?

Reassuring the nation before all the facts are in? Yes, that explains why Bush said we are at war within an hour of the twin towers attack. Besides, you were hoping he would instead make some rash statement like, "everybody stay home, don't go out and never fly an airplane again"????

Look, all I know is that there sure are a lot of folks around here who want desperately to be able to blame the feds for everything. Why even this morning someone on another thread equated the administration with the gestapo. I've apparently missed the boat on the use against "them" perspective. I thought in America we ARE the government. And I certainly thought we were all in this war together. However, there are lots of folks who apparently think the government doesn't really want to work with the American people and is doing everything within its power to lie to them. I just wish they could provide some rational explanation for what would motivate those nasty fed/govs to work against the very people they live with.

[Iwo Jima]

"It is strange to me that they choose the phrase "there is no evidence." It seems to imply that they have come to a conclusion."

When the government says "there is no evidence of X," it wants you to conclude that "X" did not happen. The media then dutifully reports that "X" did not happen.

When irrefutable evidence emerges that "X" did happen, the government says, "we never said that "X" didn't happen, we just said that there was no evidence of it."

The Clinton administration raised this type of spin to an art form. It has become the standard operating procedure of all government agencies. I don't think that Bush likes this approach -- he certainly doesn't use it himself. But his administration is still chock full of Clintonoids who think that this is the natural way of responding to inquiries, and so the functionaries wrongly advise the Tommy Thompsons, George Patakis, and other spokesmen to hew the "no evidence" line. To their credit, when the evidence to the contrary comes in, they back off. The Clintonistas brazened on through.

[stands2reason]

Also, the incessant references to those who reasonably leave open the possibility that this is a terrorist act as "tin-foil hatters" is childish and also fools no one. (And I'm NOT saying you have doine this, but I've seen it plenty today. Quite juvenile IMHO)

I haven't seen anyone referred to as a tin-foil type for "reasonably leave open the possibility that this is a terrorist act." Now I have seen people referred to as tin-foil types for REFUSING to "reasonably leave open the possibility" tht this is NOT a terrorist attack.

Do you see the difference? If I'm wrong, SHOW ME.

[Map Kernow]

Sounds like the tail fell off after takeoff,wonder why?

Birds.

Quit giving us the bird. The NTSB guy at the afternoon press conference they held said there was "no evidence" of fowl play: the engines on the Airbus are rated so that they can handle any bird smaller than an emu that flies into the intake.

Hmm. No engine failure. No birds. Sounds like the "we're-not-irrational-hysterical-tin-hats-and-we're-proud-to-believe-anything-our-government-tell-us-to-believe" brigade is now trying to sit on a stool that's lost two legs.

[eno_]

I call it lying. It may be harsh, but the people doing it deserve to lose their credibility and reputations, whatever you call what they are doing. If we here keep up the pressure then, maybe, next time we will be told "Don't know yet, ask me tommorow." instead of "He was a sportsman, drank from a stream, isolated incident, don't buy Cipro..."

[steenkeenbadges]

The 767 are new planes. Also the target of terrorist flight training. Short of bird doo-doo on the windshield, what would bring one down, separating two brand new engines from the fuselage?

[B4Ranch]

Those mechanics are going to get an inspection like they have never ever had before in their entire lives. The slightest odd scratch in their histories will look like the Grand Canyon by the time the investigators are thru with them.

[B4Ranch]

1 knot = 1.15087 mph 100 kph = 115 mph

[Map Kernow]

All they have concluded is that there was no engine failure, or birds.

It's still a sizable leap from there to deliberate sabotage.

You're absolutely right: eliminating engine failure and birdies as the explanation doesn't conclusively prove sabotage, but it does kind of narrow the range of possibilities down, don't you think? Kind of makes you understand how people just 60 days after September 11 might think it could be sabotage, rather than, say, a sudden, unexpected asteroid shower, especially when the government and its citizen enablers are so anxious to push the fuzzy "mechanical failure" explanation...or does it?

[Dan Day]

Planes dont fall apart in mid-air..

Nah... not at all:

Then there's the de Havilland Comet, a beautiful jet that had the unfortunate habit of blowing apart in flight due to metal fatigue:

[aruanan]

You mean they didn't find a frozen Butterball lodged in the engine??

Guess that still leaves Rodan...

For some reason, facing as I am a thesis deadline, the above really cracked me up.

[B Knotts]

I think that bird's been working on one of the hard drives here.

[CubicleGuy]

Guess that still leaves Rodan...

I think it's high time that Mormon crickets got the blame for something around here...

[aruanan]

Those mechanics are going to get an inspection like they have never ever had before in their entire lives.

Makes you think of that South Park episode when Mr. Mackie lost the lid of Columbian dope in the classroom and they had to search the class.

[Jerez]

Exactly. How many more innocent people must die just to prevent Arab/Islamic minorities from having their feeeeelings hurt? I understand there was some effort on the part of airlines to screen them more thoroughly, but the EEOC threatened them and they had to back down. I really thought after 9-11 we would get serious -- screen them ALL, give clearance cards to those who pass and detain those who don't until we are reasonably certain that the bad eggs are out of the general population. But it looks like 5000 dead weren't enough. Another 250 probably won't be either...

[flea69]

incredible.....after that much damage it still had it's engines and vertical stabilizer upon landing. Who'd a thunk it??? I guess they just don't build em' like they used to. Sad really.