This would also explain why fuel (early black) fire was so minimal in the crash zone.
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11/12/2001 12:18:32 PM PST by
Steven W.
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Crew member complained of problems with EgyptAir jet's thrusters
Searchers locate 'black boxes' from crashed jetliner
November 2, 1999
Web posted at: 8:55 p.m. EST (0155 GMT)
From Correspondent Carl Rochelle NEWPORT, Rhode Island (CNN) -- A crew member aboard EgyptAir Flight 990 reported the plane experienced thrust reverser problems coming into Los Angeles before it headed to New York, government sources told CNN on Tuesday.
Investigators are looking into that aspect as one of the possible causes of Sunday's crash that killed all 217 people aboard, the sources said.
The jetliner plummeted into the Atlantic south of Nantucket after taking off from John F. Kennedy Airport en route to Cairo. A massive search and recovery mission is ongoing.
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CNN learned Tuesday that the Federal Aviation Administration became concerned earlier this year about potential thrust reverser problems on Boeing 767s after discovering serious problems that could lead to pilots losing control of the aircraft in flight.
Two airworthiness directives proposed
The FAA was prepared to issue two airworthiness directives warning of the need to replace or repair defective parts associated with the thrust reverser mechanism.
One defect could, if not corrected, "result in deployment of the thrust reverser in flight and consequent reduced controllability of the aircraft," an FAA document states.
The other proposed directive urges eventual replacement of the "auxiliary track assembly" of the thrust reverser. It said long-term wear and damage could lead to a "separation of a portion of the thrust reverser from the airplane during flight."
This would result in "possible rapid decompression of the airplane, reduced controllability, or reduced structural integrity of the fuselage," the document states.
The EgyptAir jetliner that crashed Sunday falls under the category of jet mentioned in both proposed directives.
Reverse thrusters were blamed for the 1991 crash of a Lauda Air 767 that crashed in Thailand in 1991, killing 127. The FAA issued a directive requiring retrofitting of equipment that would take care of the specific problem deemed to have caused that accident.
Crash planes built consecutively
The planes involved in both crashes were built consecutively by Boeing workers who complained of fatigue and overwork shortly before going on strike in 1989.
Meanwhile, search and recovery vessels combing the crash area on Tuesday pinpointed the location of the so-called "black boxes" that could hold vital clues to the cause of the crash.
But bad weather and difficult diving conditions will delay attempts to bring the boxes to the surface for examination, a U.S. Navy spokesman said.
Capt. James Graham said "pings" -- or electronic signals -- thought to be from both the plane's flight-data recorder and its cockpit voice recorder were detected Tuesday.
"One of the two separate pingers that the Navy Mohawk has located appears to be in the center," of the debris field, Graham said.
But he said search vessels had been recalled to port because of worsening weather conditions.
Coast Guard Capt. Russ Webster said Tuesday afternoon that search and recovery teams would continue with any aspects of the recovery operation not ruled out by the weather.
"On-scene weather conditions are generally worsening. Seas are approximately 8 to 10 feet and building. I'd like to ensure the family members that we are doing everything possible to recover their loved ones and their belongings," he said.
Crash debris, remains unloaded at Quonset Point
The search is concentrated 60 miles south of Nantucket Island, Massachusetts, in water some 270 feet deep.
Information on the recorders could reveal why the plane plunged 33,000 feet without warning into the sea not long after leaving Kennedy International Airport in New York.
The National Transportation Safety Board has established a command post in Newport, Rhode Island, for an investigation expected to take months and cover many areas -- from potential human error and mechanical failure to the possibility of sabotage.
To: Steven W.
How the hell does Pataki know this?
Hell, I'm sitting at my keyboard 3,000 miles away looking out the window at a pine tree and I know this was due to terrorist activity. Hey, I don't even know the difference between a 767 and an Airbus and I know that this is suspicious.
Just because he's in New York in contact with the disaster scene and I'm sitting in a cubicle on the other side of the country, doesn't mean I don't know squat.
Follow me here, folks.
This took place in New York. Let me repeat that again, because it's key; New York. Now what significant incident took place in New York recently? That's right, the WTC attack on 9/11. OK folks, now are we getting warm or what? We don't need no politico/journalist expert at the scene, right? We can figure this one ourselves. OK, so where were we? Oh yeah, New York. Do you see the common thread running throught these incidents? It's New York. OK, now there was an explosion on this plane. Do you know what causes explosions? That's right, bombs do.
I rest my case. If that doesn't convince even the most hardened skeptic that skullduggery was involved in this incident, then nothing will.
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New York City police officers look at a jet engine from American Airlines flight 587 that landed at a gas station several blocks away from the plane's crash site November 12, 2001 in the Rockaway section of Queens, New York. Authorities scrambled to determine what caused the crash, with the government ruling nothing out but taking steps consistent with a safety probe rather than a criminal one. (Jim Bourg/Reuters)
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Emergency personnel stand next to a part of the aircraft fuselage in the front yard of a house at B130th Street and Newport Ave, at the scene of the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 in the Queens borough of New York, November 12, 2001. There were no survivors among the 255 people aboard; six others were reported missing on the ground, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said. (Pool via Reuters)
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A large section of the tailpiece of an American Airlines jet is lifted by a crane after a plane crashed in the Queens Borough section of New York Monday, Nov. 12, 2001. A plane approaches JFK Airports to land in the backbround top. The tail piece was recovered from Jamaica Bay and towed to shore. (AP Photo/Daniel P. Derella)
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A large section of the tailpiece of American Airlines Flight 587 is lifted off a boat by a crane after the Airbus A300 crashed in the Rockaway Beach section of the Queens borough of New York Monday, Nov. 12, 2001. The tailpiece was recovered from Jamaica Bay and towed to shore. (AP Photo/Daniel P. Derella)
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To: Steven W.
To: Steven W.
Just like American 191 Chicago 1979.
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-aa191.shtml
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A jet engine, at right, from American Airlines flight 587 lies amid houses that it crashed into several blocks from site where the rest of the plane crashed November 12, 2001 in the Rockaway section of Queens, New York. Normal flight operations at two of the three major New York-area airports resumed several hours after the crash. (Shannon Stapleton/Reuters)
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FBI papers are strewn around the crash scene of American Airlines Flight 587 in the Rockaway Beach section of New York's Queens borough Monday, Nov. 12, 2001. There were no known survivors among the 255 people aboard, and six people were missing on the ground. (AP Photo/Victor Nicastro)
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To: Steven W.
Please people give it a rest...
If the pilot didnt radio that he was dumping fuel then we dont know if he dumped the fuel or if the fuel was naturally being dumped as a result of what was happening.
The flight data recorders do not show an intentional dump.
GO AWAY ALL YOU LIBERAL CONSPIRACY SEEKERS!
To: Steven W.
Pataki is an idiot
To: Steven W.
Pataki...the dumbest Republican ever. A four minute flight and the pilot was dumping fuel?
To: Steven W.
Having been a passenger on a plane which dumped its fuel, there is
NO WAY this pilot had a chance to do it. Dumping takes forever.
One theory is that the fuel tank was punctured by an explosion and fuel spewed into Jamaica Bay.
The relatively small fire at the impact point does suggest less than full tanks and fuel may have been found in the Bay.
256 posted on
11/12/2001 3:19:41 PM PST by
aculeus
To: Steven W.
Watch for one of the groud crew who did the "A" check the night before. Just a huntch.
To: Steven W.
This particular model of A-300 has no system for airborne release of usable fuel per a 30+ year airline captain interviewed tonight on MSNBC.
To: Steven W.
I am late to this thread, but it would seem to me if the pilot dumped the fuel he would have also alerted the airport officials to his actions. I don't think you just go about dumping fuel without making a mayday call.
304 posted on
11/12/2001 6:53:25 PM PST by
MistyCA
To: Steven W.
Absolutely NO proof of a fuel dumping. Maybe true, but no proof cited as of Tuesday morning.
To: Steven W.
Airbus 300-600 is rated to fly fully fueled on one engine, but there is no fuel dumping capacity built into this type of plane.
To: Steven W.
someone who seemed to know, posted on another thread that they cannot dump fuel from this type plane.
To: **AA Flight 587
To: Steven W.
What a fibber==That plane did NOT have the ability to dump fuel. Why the big fib?!!
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