Jet 'exploded into pieces' (Witnesses "Saw Explosion On One Side of Plane Before Crash")

BBC & CNN ^ | November 12, 2001 | BBC & CNN News Staffs

[t-shirt]

I'm done with this excercise in futility with you.
Trust but Verify

The futility was of your own making. One again on post 179 you replied to nothing of substance on post 174, you just re-reply to things I already responded to. And you refused to even bother ackowledging that you attributed things to me on post 169 that I never said.

Most importantly you refuse to discuss why you think America citizens (such as those reading this thread)should not believe the actual eye witnesses who saw an explosion or fireball, and instead should believe the lying government who says these didn't really see what they saw.

[gimme1ibertee]

It appears that a lone left wing nut was the culprit.

Hillary??? LOL

[Magician]

This version is corroberated by a retired fireman who was out walking and watched the plane climb out. He describes an orange or yellow explosion (the popping sound) where the wing meets the fuselage. Then the wing fell off and the plane went into the ground.

[Trust but Verify]

Just because there was an explosion doesn't mean it was a bomb or a missile! Soemtimes, engines explode. You know, that aviation fuel is flammable!

And as for witnesses, they often are mistaken in what they see. I have seen eyewitnesses who say it was the left engine and some who say it wa the right. Was it both or could some of these people be mistaken? If so, which ones do we beleive?

[Basilides]

I've now asked this on two other threads without an answer....

but will somebody please explain how an entire vertical stabilizer comes off the jet intact before impact ???

I hope this doesn't go the way of Flight 800...

[Rudder]

The plane was heading south and along the way dropped parts into Jamaica Bay, North of Rockaway. Fox News showed a section (about 6' x 6') of what looked like a broken exterior "panel" with jagged edges, being pulled up from the Bay. If the initial breakup was caused by the same explosion observed by those on Rockaway, these observers must have been looking northward.

Were they?

[ppaul]

Q: I never did get a detailed answer as to what that Islamic calendar pictured for the months of October, November, etc. Someone posted pics (one showed a flag - Iraqi?) but it was unclear as to their text/symbolism. Please elaborate if you can.

A: Click on this link: Islamic Calendar
Then scroll down to replies #3, #140, and #141.

[Fred25]

Me? “Eloquent”?

I must be slippin’.

[t-shirt]

I saw several eyewitnesses on CNN, several on MSNBC and several on FOX all who saw an explosion before the crash.

The only woman I saw who was presented as an eyewitness a government worker from who saw in farther away on 128th street and she seem to repeat verbatim the revised government line that she saw no explosion and that it looked like parts just started falling off. All the rest of the people who said there was no explosion were government experts and did not even witness the crash.

***And Remember the first FBI people on the scene said there was an explosion.

[TERMINATTOR]

They're so busy checking parts and supplies comming in, and searching maintenance workers every time they take a leak, that they don't have time to work on the planes even if the parts had cleared security. While honest people are being disarmed, "peacefull muslim" workers are smugling in weapons, bombs, and sabotaging things. If anyone suspected them of anything it would be "discrimination", "racial profiling" etc, so they have a free pass.

[Trust but Verify]

Would you please go back to my last post and compare what I wrote to your response? Did I say there was no explosion? Did I say there were no witnesses who said there was an explosion? No. I said an explosion does not mean bomb or missile. I also said witnesses statements were in conflict. That fact is, we don't know!

The only explanation you are going to accept is one of sabotage. Even if exhaustive evidence is presented to the contrary, you will claim to know 'the real truth'.

[VOA]

I was just starting to get comfortable with the idea of air travel again...but regardless
of the reason for this crash, I'm wondering if I'll make it back to the
east for the holidays.

You are NOT alone.
I have already canceled on a Turkey Day return to "fly-over" country, partly due to a
class I'm taking.
Now I'm having doubts about XMAS.

I've told my folks (and they are very comfortable with this): Until there's three months
with NO commercial aviation deaths on American carriers...I'm NOT flying unless
absolutely necessary. And if so, I'll take Southwest Airlines, even if I've got to
fly three legs.
(I think the record is zero deaths while Southwest has been in service...if wrong,
I hope lurkers will correct me.)

[Native American Female Vet]

Thanks my HTML hero!

[Native American Female Vet]

Thanks for the info. This guy seems to be right so far.

[Native American Female Vet]

Thanks for the info

[jwalsh07]

Have you seen this? Another GE engine that blew

[Trust but Verify]

Shhh information such as this is going to interfere with the reverie of those who are SURE this is terrorism. As for me, I appreciate the info.

[anniegetyourgun]

Yep....there must be something in the ethernet on FR today. I'm wearing my gas mask so as not to be overcome by the paranoia.

[t-shirt]

U.S. PASSENGER JET EXPLODES IN NEW YORK

WASHINGTON [MENL] -- A passenger jet has exploded and crashed into New York City, prompting the mayor to declare an alert.

Officials said the crash is not being regarded as a terrorist attack. The conclusion was announced by the National Transportation Safety Board. No group claimed immediate responsibility for the crash.

An American Airlines jet took off from Kennedy Airport and crashed about 15 kilometers away in the borough of Queens on Monday. The jet, with 255 passengers, slammed into a residential area and set nearly 20 buildings on fire.

New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani declared a state of emergency. Airports, bridges, subways and tunnels were closed throughout the city.

U.S. authorities had been on alert for an another attack by Saudi fugitive Osama Bin Laden amid an opposition Afghan drive toward Kabul. Bin Laden had threatened to retaliate against the United States with nonconventional weapons. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------