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IS TONY SNOW STILL A CONSERVATIVE? REPUBLICAN?
11/09/01 | consevativesoutherner

Posted on 11/09/2001 6:19:31 PM PST by conservativesoutherner

I became aquainted with Tony Snow sometime during the impeachment era. I listen to the Rush Limbaugh Show on a fairly regular basis, and he was filling in for Rush as a guest host (Rush was on vacation). It was enjoyable because he was less acerbic and confrontational than Rush, but equally as conservative- I am a female in my early twenties! Gradually, I began to learn more about him. I discovered that he was a speech-writer for George Bush the first, he was a host for Fox News, that he used to be the editorial page editor for two conservative newspapers- the Washington Times and the Detroit News, and that he writes a conservative weekly opinion column (not to mention being a regular guest-host for Rush). He exhibited all of the behaviors and beliefs common to conservatives and Republicans- he hated Bill Clinton passionately, he was pro-life, he opposed soak-the-rich taxation, he advocated smaller government and he promoted "family values". I liked him because he was a consevative member of the mainstream press (very rare indeed), and it made me sad at the time (still does) that there are so few journalists who think the same way that I do. He was also young, good-looking and he had a casual sense of humor about him (consevatives are already rare enough in the press, but the ones that are there appear old, unattractive and uptight- not terribly representative of the diverse population of conservatives in this country). So it was refreshing, from my point of view, to see someone like him as our spokesman. Of course, he tried to make an occasional attempt at objectivity so that he didn't sound like a complete and total biased hack (but that was few and far between- and he made obvious what he was, anyway). Sometime later , perhaps during the presidential primaries (late 1999), something became wierd/different about him and I can't explain it. I remember watching Brit Hume interview Tony on Fox because Tony and his colleague Carl Cameron were dispatched to film a Bush event (Bush and Snow knew each other from his father's White House), and Tony reacted strangely to the question. Later, Tony recounted that Bush was reading a book to elementary school children in front of all the television cameras and that Bush caught Tony's image out of the corner of his eye. Bush suddenly turned and shouted "hey, Antonio Nueves" (Bush's Spanish nickname for Snow), and Tony said he was standing there with everyone staring at him asking himself what he was supposed to do now. Also, months later- in his opinion column, he advised that Bush not be so casual and smirk all the time, and that he would be well-servrd to be more serious about things. As well, in early 2000, during the primary against Mccain in Michigan, he bashed Bush for his seeming disinterest and for not bothering to put up a fight. During the Republican convention in Philidelphia, he wrote about how the party had pushed aside any about the principled arguments about conservatism, and made it all about superficial stuff. During the end of the election he appeared to go with Bush and during the recount he sided strongly with Bush. But it didn't feel to me as though he disliked Gore as much as he disliked Clinton. He certainly didn't bash Gore as much as harshly used to critique Bill Clinton. Now, that Bush is president, he doesn't automatically side with every little thing uttered by Bush. He still asks Bush cabinet members tough questions on Fox, and when he's hosting a panel of journalists and the topic is the president, he inquires about their opinions of a Bush event or Bush policies. In April of 2001, Howard Kurtz and other journalists reported that Tony was shortly going to stop writing his opinion columns because they were being cited in complaints "as evidence of Fox News's right-wing bias", and that rumor had it that Fox News executives were pressuring him to give up his column because it was creating too many problems (but no one will admit that publicly). So, he's stopped writing his columns (he says to "concentrate on my broadcasting duties"). The only plce that I still see him on a regular basis, besides on Fox News Channel, is as guest-host for Rush Limbaugh. Other than that, he really doesn't share his opinions much anymore. So, his lack of direct opinionating combined with his show of objectivity for Fox and the strange line of events leaves me wondering alot of things. Is he still a consevative? Is he still a member of the Republican Party? Did he vote for Bush, Republicans in 2000? I know that he is pro-life about abortion and euthanasia- so that would put him in line with the G.O.P., but he's a christian who's pro-life across the board (including the death penalty), does that put him in line with the Democrats? He has said that he's "very much in favor of smaller government". Well, knowing that, I wonder this: the Republicans haven't quite yet been able to abolish huge portions of government because they still haven't got the votes due to moderate Republicans- does that mean he sees no difference between the parties (there are those people who claim that there is no difference)? I'd also like to find out whether he feels pressure as a conservative inside the American press core (presumably all of his press-friends must be liberals and he's around them all day- does he want to be liked)? And, of course he's bound to have some Democratic friends in congress- does he feel pressure in that sense, as well? In closing, I have always liked Tony. Reading and listening to him has probably been my one of my favorite past-times. I would just love to know what is going on with him. Or maybe it's just me. In any case, for me, it's just been he and Brit Hume and Rush? What's up, Tony?


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1 posted on 11/09/2001 6:19:31 PM PST by conservativesoutherner (SouthernConsevative@home.com)
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To: coo-coo-for-coco-puffs
I'm new at this. I only figured out how to POST today. Don't confuse me with this whole 'paragraphs' thing, or i'll have a nervous breakdown!
4 posted on 11/09/2001 6:30:45 PM PST by conservativesoutherner
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To: conservativesoutherner
Tony Snow is a marshmallow salesman.
5 posted on 11/09/2001 6:32:12 PM PST by cynicom
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To: conservativesoutherner
Please learn to format an article. Its easier on the eyes.

That said, it's nice to see a new poster with a well thought out point of view.

Mr. Snow doesn't have to agree with President Bush all of the time to be a true conservative. If I agreed with the President all of the time, I wouldn't have a mind. Maybe Mr. Snow is a person that would have liked to see President Bush go after some of the Clinton corruption. It's tough to be a conservative after the Clinton years, to have our guy in and have him ignore the corruption and leave Clinton's people in. The frustration factor can be high.

6 posted on 11/09/2001 6:34:24 PM PST by abner
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To: overseer5
I'm not actually sure that he is a Catholic, though i've always suspected. That's beside the point, the questions are- consevative? Republican? not Catholic.
7 posted on 11/09/2001 6:34:36 PM PST by conservativesoutherner
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To: conservativesoutherner
I read about half of the article. It seemed pretty good. Please format it so that I can finish it without going blind.
8 posted on 11/09/2001 6:34:43 PM PST by Hillary 666
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To: conservativesoutherner
In the past Tony Snow has stated he is an "internationalist."
9 posted on 11/09/2001 6:38:16 PM PST by StormEye
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To: conservativesoutherner
No, Tony is not. He is a complainer. Something happens when people get their own show, they think they have to point out the negative about everything and everyone.
10 posted on 11/09/2001 6:38:20 PM PST by motherof 3
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To: abner
It isn't necessarily about agreeing with EVERYTHING. I suppose it's that he doesn't shout it from the rooftops every ten minutes. I wish that he would. I would like to see those few conservatives in the media take every opportunity to tell everybody in the world. But, that's just me!
11 posted on 11/09/2001 6:41:00 PM PST by conservativesoutherner
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To: conservativesoutherner
The other thread was deleted and that's where I posted this helper: Put a <p> between your paragraphs to make the piece more readable.

I quit watching and listening to Snow ages ago--I instantly turn Rush's show off when I hear Snow's voice. Snow strikes me as a "want to be liked" conservative journalist. He goes out of his way to try and be "fair". Democrats are liars and Snow is perfectly comfortable with helping them perpetuate their lies for the sake of being "fair" -- journalism at its worst.

12 posted on 11/09/2001 6:42:16 PM PST by Moridin
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To: conservativesoutherner
I became aquainted with Tony Snow sometime during the impeachment era. I listen to the Rush Limbaugh Show on a fairly regular basis, and he was filling in for Rush as a guest host (Rush was on vacation). It was enjoyable because he was less acerbic and confrontational than Rush, but equally as conservative- I am a female in my early twenties! Gradually, I began to learn more about him.

I discovered that he was a speech-writer for George Bush the first, he was a host for Fox News, that he used to be the editorial page editor for two conservative newspapers- the Washington Times and the Detroit News, and that he writes a conservative weekly opinion column (not to mention being a regular guest-host for Rush). He exhibited all of the behaviors and beliefs common to conservatives and Republicans- he hated Bill Clinton passionately, he was pro-life, he opposed soak-the-rich taxation, he advocated smaller government and he promoted "family values".

I liked him because he was a consevative member of the mainstream press (very rare indeed), and it made me sad at the time (still does) that there are so few journalists who think the same way that I do. He was also young, good-looking and he had a casual sense of humor about him (consevatives are already rare enough in the press, but the ones that are there appear old, unattractive and uptight- not terribly representative of the diverse population of conservatives in this country). So it was refreshing, from my point of view, to see someone like him as our spokesman.

Of course, he tried to make an occasional attempt at objectivity so that he didn't sound like a complete and total biased hack (but that was few and far between- and he made obvious what he was, anyway). Sometime later , perhaps during the presidential primaries (late 1999), something became wierd/different about him and I can't explain it. I remember watching Brit Hume interview Tony on Fox because Tony and his colleague Carl Cameron were dispatched to film a Bush event (Bush and Snow knew each other from his father's White House), and Tony reacted strangely to the question.

Later, Tony recounted that Bush was reading a book to elementary school children in front of all the television cameras and that Bush caught Tony's image out of the corner of his eye. Bush suddenly turned and shouted "hey, Antonio Nueves" (Bush's Spanish nickname for Snow), and Tony said he was standing there with everyone staring at him asking himself what he was supposed to do now.

Also, months later- in his opinion column, he advised that Bush not be so casual and smirk all the time, and that he would be well-servrd to be more serious about things. As well, in early 2000, during the primary against Mccain in Michigan, he bashed Bush for his seeming disinterest and for not bothering to put up a fight. During the Republican convention in Philidelphia, he wrote about how the party had pushed aside any about the principled arguments about conservatism, and made it all about superficial stuff.

During the end of the election he appeared to go with Bush and during the recount he sided strongly with Bush. But it didn't feel to me as though he disliked Gore as much as he disliked Clinton. He certainly didn't bash Gore as much as harshly used to critique Bill Clinton. Now, that Bush is president, he doesn't automatically side with every little thing uttered by Bush.

He still asks Bush cabinet members tough questions on Fox, and when he's hosting a panel of journalists and the topic is the president, he inquires about their opinions of a Bush event or Bush policies. In April of 2001, Howard Kurtz and other journalists reported that Tony was shortly going to stop writing his opinion columns because they were being cited in complaints "as evidence of Fox News's right-wing bias", and that rumor had it that Fox News executives were pressuring him to give up his column because it was creating too many problems (but no one will admit that publicly).

So, he's stopped writing his columns (he says to "concentrate on my broadcasting duties"). The only plce that I still see him on a regular basis, besides on Fox News Channel, is as guest-host for Rush Limbaugh. Other than that, he really doesn't share his opinions much anymore.

So, his lack of direct opinionating combined with his show of objectivity for Fox and the strange line of events leaves me wondering alot of things. Is he still a consevative? Is he still a member of the Republican Party? Did he vote for Bush, Republicans in 2000? I know that he is pro-life about abortion and euthanasia- so that would put him in line with the G.O.P., but he's a christian who's pro-life across the board (including the death penalty), does that put him in line with the Democrats?

He has said that he's "very much in favor of smaller government". Well, knowing that, I wonder this: the Republicans haven't quite yet been able to abolish huge portions of government because they still haven't got the votes due to moderate Republicans- does that mean he sees no difference between the parties (there are those people who claim that there is no difference)?

I'd also like to find out whether he feels pressure as a conservative inside the American press core (presumably all of his press-friends must be liberals and he's around them all day- does he want to be liked)? And, of course he's bound to have some Democratic friends in congress- does he feel pressure in that sense, as well?

In closing, I have always liked Tony. Reading and listening to him has probably been my one of my favorite past-times. I would just love to know what is going on with him. Or maybe it's just me. In any case, for me, it's just been he and Brit Hume and Rush? What's up, Tony?

14 posted on 11/09/2001 6:42:20 PM PST by spartan68
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To: conservativesoutherner
All you have to do is put a <P> wherever you want to separate paragraphs.
15 posted on 11/09/2001 6:43:56 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: conservativesoutherner
Here's a poor attempt of mine to give some sense of paragraphs...

I became aquainted with Tony Snow sometime during the impeachment era. I listen to the Rush Limbaugh Show on a fairly regular basis, and he was filling in for Rush as a guest host (Rush was on vacation). It was enjoyable because he was less acerbic and confrontational than Rush, but equally as conservative-

I am a female in my early twenties! Gradually, I began to learn more about him. I discovered that he was a speech-writer for George Bush the first, he was a host for Fox News, that he used to be the editorial page editor for two conservative newspapers- the Washington Times and the Detroit News, and that he writes a conservative weekly opinion column (not to mention being a regular guest-host for Rush).

He exhibited all of the behaviors and beliefs common to conservatives and Republicans- he hated Bill Clinton passionately, he was pro-life, he opposed soak-the-rich taxation, he advocated smaller government and he promoted "family values".

I liked him because he was a consevative member of the mainstream press (very rare indeed), and it made me sad at the time (still does) that there are so few journalists who think the same way that I do. He was also young, good-looking and he had a casual sense of humor about him (consevatives are already rare enough in the press, but the ones that are there appear old, unattractive and uptight- not terribly representative of the diverse population of conservatives in this country). So it was refreshing, from my point of view, to see someone like him as our spokesman. Of course, he tried to make an occasional attempt at objectivity so that he didn't sound like a complete and total biased hack (but that was few and far between- and he made obvious what he was, anyway).

Sometime later , perhaps during the presidential primaries (late 1999), something became wierd/different about him and I can't explain it. I remember watching Brit Hume interview Tony on Fox because Tony and his colleague Carl Cameron were dispatched to film a Bush event (Bush and Snow knew each other from his father's White House), and Tony reacted strangely to the question.

Later, Tony recounted that Bush was reading a book to elementary school children in front of all the television cameras and that Bush caught Tony's image out of the corner of his eye. Bush suddenly turned and shouted "hey, Antonio Nueves" (Bush's Spanish nickname for Snow), and Tony said he was standing there with everyone staring at him asking himself what he was supposed to do now. Also, months later- in his opinion column, he advised that Bush not be so casual and smirk all the time, and that he would be well-servrd to be more serious about things.

As well, in early 2000, during the primary against Mccain in Michigan, he bashed Bush for his seeming disinterest and for not bothering to put up a fight. During the Republican convention in Philidelphia, he wrote about how the party had pushed aside any about the principled arguments about conservatism, and made it all about superficial stuff. During the end of the election he appeared to go with Bush and during the recount he sided strongly with Bush. But it didn't feel to me as though he disliked Gore as much as he disliked Clinton. He certainly didn't bash Gore as much as harshly used to critique Bill Clinton. Now, that Bush is president, he doesn't automatically side with every little thing uttered by Bush. He still asks Bush cabinet members tough questions on Fox, and when he's hosting a panel of journalists and the topic is the president, he inquires about their opinions of a Bush event or Bush policies.

In April of 2001, Howard Kurtz and other journalists reported that Tony was shortly going to stop writing his opinion columns because they were being cited in complaints "as evidence of Fox News's right-wing bias", and that rumor had it that Fox News executives were pressuring him to give up his column because it was creating too many problems (but no one will admit that publicly). So, he's stopped writing his columns (he says to "concentrate on my broadcasting duties").

The only plce that I still see him on a regular basis, besides on Fox News Channel, is as guest-host for Rush Limbaugh. Other than that, he really doesn't share his opinions much anymore. So, his lack of direct opinionating combined with his show of objectivity for Fox and the strange line of events leaves me wondering alot of things.

Is he still a consevative? Is he still a member of the Republican Party? Did he vote for Bush, Republicans in 2000?

I know that he is pro-life about abortion and euthanasia- so that would put him in line with the G.O.P., but he's a christian who's pro-life across the board (including the death penalty), does that put him in line with the Democrats? He has said that he's "very much in favor of smaller government". Well, knowing that, I wonder this: the Republicans haven't quite yet been able to abolish huge portions of government because they still haven't got the votes due to moderate Republicans- does that mean he sees no difference between the parties (there are those people who claim that there is no difference)?

I'd also like to find out whether he feels pressure as a conservative inside the American press core (presumably all of his press-friends must be liberals and he's around them all day- does he want to be liked)? And, of course he's bound to have some Democratic friends in congress- does he feel pressure in that sense, as well?

In closing, I have always liked Tony. Reading and listening to him has probably been my one of my favorite past-times. I would just love to know what is going on with him. Or maybe it's just me. In any case, for me, it's just been he and Brit Hume and Rush? What's up, Tony?

16 posted on 11/09/2001 6:45:32 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: MrSparkys
NO profanity Sparky. Now say 10 Hail Marys.
17 posted on 11/09/2001 6:46:57 PM PST by bookwurm
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To: overseer5
He's not a Christian, he's a Catholic.

What is that supposed to mean?

18 posted on 11/09/2001 6:47:13 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: spartan68
Ugh! You beat me to it with the reformating. Oh well.
19 posted on 11/09/2001 6:48:18 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: conservativesoutherner
He is not Catholic, he is Episcopalian and goes to my church. He has a lovely wife and three cute girls. He is very much a conservative, a good Christian, and a good family man. I don't know him well, but I have a close mutual friend of his who is conservative and attests to this. He despises Bill and Hillary Clinton and Ronald Reagan is his hero. He was hard on Bush because he was holding him to the Reagan standard and found him lacking in many ways, as did many people here before 9/11. He was right about the GOP convention, I was there and it was obnoxious (not half as obnoxious as the Democrats convention, granted) and failed to illustrate conservatism. I do think he is under some pressure from Fox to tone down his conservatism - there were rumors around town that Democrats were refusing to appear on his show.
20 posted on 11/09/2001 6:48:33 PM PST by Dems_R_Losers
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