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Jerusalem's Dome of the Rock is Hate Speech in Stone; Its removal Urgent
myself | 11-7-01 | myself

Posted on 11/07/2001 6:38:28 PM PST by crystalk

The Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem is an act of hate and of hate speech by Muslims against Jews and Christians. Neither the US nor Britain would ever allow such an object to be created, nor such a collection of slander to be publicly displayed.

Remember, every bit of that oh-so-pretty Arabic arabesque script on this little shrine dating from AD 691, is a slander-in-stone, posing as a sermon-in-stone, against Christianity which had ruled Jerusalem for centuries under Byzantium prior to the Islamic takeover in the AD 638-40 era. "God has no Son. It is Blasphemy to Say He has Taken a Son." would be the least of what is written there. This Dome is not a mosque, and it is an artifact of pure hatred against Christianity.

It also is an artifact of pure hatred against Judaism, for it occupies and stands upon the holy precincts of the Temples of Solomon and of Herod (first and second Temples)...a dog in the manger as it were, which neither itself worships, nor allows the Jews to worship, God as He ought to be. This building is preventing the Jews from re-establishing the Temple and its sacrifices for the good of all mankind and the peace of the world.

As I understand it, the Dome itself stands over the area reserved solely for Jewish men (court of Israel) in the time of Jesus, including the area of the altar of sacrifice and the "holy" (as opposed to Most Holy) place of the Temple (Bet ha Mikdosh) itself. I believe that the place of the Ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy, however, stands on the western steps leading up to the octagonal Dome structure...

Called by Daniel the "Abomination of Desolation" (loathsome thing), this structure was stated in Dan. 11 and 12 to stand until the indignation (wrath) of God against Israel for its sins was over, but that was to end in 1290 or 1335 years from the construction of same in 691. Thus, its fall is up in 1981 or in 2026, and I think the 1981 date referred to the finding of the Ark in that year...

Since in our liberal times, Westerners are called upon to accomodate every nuance of the sensiblilities of Muslims here in our homelands, perhaps Muslims in return would be willing to see this insult and injury to Judaism and Christianity removed and made away in our day. Perhaps it could be disassembled stone by stone and set up in Mecca, a city only Muslims are allowed to visit, and thus it could do less harm there.


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To: Central Scrutiniser
Yes, our God YHWH is not altogether above such a thing.

Read about Elijah having a very public and theatrial showdown with the prophets of Baal as to whether he or YHWH was to be Israel's God! Dramatic, even thunderclaps, and a downpour of rain. Fire coming down from heaven and licking up everything and everybody. Who says religion must be boring. Talk about good guys vs bad guys, you ain't seen nothing yet! God says a Latter Rain is coming, and looks like you may be the one that gets wet, not me!

Yes, by all means, it is time there was a worldwide showdown between YHWH and Allah, as foretold continually in the Scriptures both Tanakh and New Covenant. The dates are even given.

101 posted on 11/08/2001 2:14:20 PM PST by crystalk
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To: drstevej
Well good doctor, I was deathly sick on a hotel bed in Jerusalem the day my tour group went to the Dome of the Rock(1980, new wave/punk had just become popular where I was from). We had eaten at an outside cafe in Haifa. They were little meat balls on skewers, and probably some rice or something. I thought they were really good at the time. Come Friday evening, I was, well let's say I was dehydrating through various means. By Saturday, local arabs working the hotel, had acquired Sulfa guanadine to kill whatever little bug was inside me. Everyone else went to the dome. Sorry I missed. Going to Israel was one of my fondest memories. I will always support Israel, but I think people should know there are many, many Christian Arabs who are totally forgotten in the shuffle of things.
102 posted on 11/08/2001 2:17:47 PM PST by job
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To: crystalk
Anti-christ agent....be gone
104 posted on 11/08/2001 2:21:05 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Surely you would not contend that God will pour out His wrath upon His OWN followers, and aid the followers of Allah, would you?

"He that cometh to God, must believe that He exists, and that He IS A REWARDER of them that diligently seek Him."

105 posted on 11/08/2001 2:35:24 PM PST by crystalk
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To: job
Nice to know the Christian Arabs cleared up your attack of Arafat's revenge--I doubt Islamic Arabs would have been so kind!

BTW almost any Christian Arabs without criminal record, can qualify for admission to the USA asylum as an oppressed minority, whatever country in the Mideast, if any, might be willing to issue them a passport.

But don't forget, a Christian Arab still has a Christian soul! An Islamic Arab is completely different.

106 posted on 11/08/2001 2:38:47 PM PST by crystalk
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To: Cavalry
Ever heard of living by the sword / dying by the sword?

Sure have.
Often wondered though, does that also apply to Muslims?

I was pondering that last night as I was reading about the hundreds of years and dozens of Muslim "leaders" in Al-Andalus who routinely sent thousands of severed heads of Christians, Muslims and Berbers indiscriminately to each other, displayed severed heads on the front gates of their fortresses and generally lived as if the sword was their best friend.

109 posted on 11/08/2001 2:42:34 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Ann Archy
Can you, or any other freepers give me the story onPalestine and Israel and what land was given to what people from the first world war on...and whatwas the area called before the WWI...Palestine? Thanks.

Are you serious?
You have managed to miss the dozen or so long and detailed posts by both sides on the issue in the last year?

If you are serious, I am sure reposting can be arranged.

111 posted on 11/08/2001 2:47:20 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: SJackson
You'll note an Arab state on the West Bank did exist on paper at least for about 2 years before Jordan, not Israel, anexed it.

No. What I do notice is that the Arabs rejected it. So it never existed. The Arabs decided to "roll their own" and failed.

Something else I notice is the dramatic difference between the British Partition of 1946 and the "final" UN partition of 1947. How the Jews could even hope to survive in that gerrymandered "country" only the participants can answer.

The most significant however, is the double whammy the Jews suffered, first by the lion's share of Palestine in the creation of Muslim Jordan, and then the abortion they were expected to turn into a country, which the Arabs rejected anyway.

112 posted on 11/08/2001 3:06:19 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
Sorry, but my mom had been very sick for a couple of years and died last month....I had other things on my mind and oly paid attention to small items like Condit.
113 posted on 11/08/2001 3:19:51 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: fourdeuce82d
Good Shot! Kudos to you!

btw ... since it has been so long since something new and infuriating was built there, why can't Secularists tear it down and replace it with something guaranteed to anger nearly everybody, like... a WAL-MART ?

114 posted on 11/08/2001 3:37:42 PM PST by muleboy
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To: Publius6961
You'll note an Arab state on the West Bank did exist on paper at least for about 2 years before Jordan, not Israel, anexed it.
No. What I do notice is that the Arabs rejected it. So it never existed. The Arabs decided to "roll their own" and failed.

You're right, I should have emphacized "on paper"

How the Jews could even hope to survive in that gerrymandered "country" only the participants can answer.

None of the participants expected or wanted them to, including the British. The 46 map made some sense, then the UN got involved.

115 posted on 11/08/2001 3:38:28 PM PST by SJackson
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To: fourdeuce82d
Excellent post!
116 posted on 11/08/2001 3:41:30 PM PST by Aedammair
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To: Aedammair
This thread is very unfortunate. Many are pursuing an arcane religious argument. That is their privilege. Others seem to think that proper vengeance against the terrorists is to destroy a beautiful 1300+ year old Shrine. That is hardly something most Conservatives ought to be advocating! One of the ugliest things about the Taliban, before they were so clearly identified with hosting Terrorist leaders, was the vicious way that they destroyed Buddhist shrines of similar antiquity.

Some of the posters, here, suggest a level of hatred that reminds one of the Thirty Years War in Germany. It was not pretty, but it was justified on similar theological intolerance. While I certainly do not agree with the criticism of Judaic and Christian values, that some say are inscribed within the Muslem shrine, it was a belief that Judaism and Christianity had become corrupt that inspired some of the early Muslem firment. Answer their argument, by all means, but do not beg the question by hurling epithets back, against whatever isolated phrases you may quote out of context.

The terrorists today are fanatics. Fanatics are not limited to any one faith. As we root out this set of fanatics, and bring justice to them, let us not help recruit other fanatics by persecuting people who simply come from a similar religious background. The destruction of those Buddhas in Afganistan was an atrocity. So were some of the actions of Savonarola, who spoke no better for true Christianity than the Taliban do for Islam.

The idea of spitefully destroying someone else's ancient shrines, is no way to promote your own Faith; no way to honor God; and above all, since some of you feel the need to preach, no way to reach any of the unconverted and bring them to your Faith. Nothing could be more counter-productive. Some of you need to take a cold shower and stop and think.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

117 posted on 11/08/2001 4:20:02 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: crystalk
Islam has no respect for others history. When they conquer they try to remake history entirely in their own image. That is, history begins with them and all those dhimmi, usually Jews and Christians, no longer have a past. This is why they can plop their abomination on the Mount, not allow Jews to even visit this area or have a part of it, scandalously destroy ancient archaelogical artifacts in this area and even claim there was no Temple.
118 posted on 11/08/2001 4:42:14 PM PST by Lent
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To: Ohioan
Eloquent and excellent post. I can't abide the hate all muslims all the time channel; I just can't. I rarely visit or post on those threads because they mostly sicken me. Today on an immigration thread someone actually used the phrase "OPERATION WETBACK" in a reply. There's no promise for, or heart in, a person whose distillation of the immigration issue is such. So dialogue is a waste of time and effort.

But I have a question to ask you. When you stated that some people needed to take a cold shower was that directed at me, and if so, why?

119 posted on 11/08/2001 4:45:05 PM PST by Aedammair
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To: Yehuda; John Locke
Mr. Locke not only are you a disgrace to the philosopher whose name you're using, you're a disgrace to Christians and Jews. Justifying terrorism against Jews because of your love for the Intifada doesn't surprise me though.
120 posted on 11/08/2001 4:47:04 PM PST by Lent
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