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William Cooper, national militia movement leader, killed in shootout with law officers
Arizona Republic/AP ^ | 11/6/01 | Mighty Mouse

Posted on 11/06/2001 9:00:49 PM PST by Mighty Mouse

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:20:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

EAGAR - A national leader of the militia movement has been killed and an Apache County sheriff's deputy wounded in a shootout, authorities said.

William Milton Cooper, 58, of Eager, had hosted a talk show broadcast on the Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville, which receives it via phone from his home in St. Johns. He had millions of listeners worldwide, including Timothy McVeigh.


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To: Diddle E. Squat
Cooper refused to get a driver's license or pay federal income taxes

you wrote: Well then he deserved to be arrested. No hero here.

1. Re: ...driver's license, see "right to travel" which is an inalienable right, since the beginning of time and upheld in many, many court cases.

2. re: federal income taxes, see "unconstitutional" as in Article 1, Sec. 8 of US Constitution. Notwithstanding the 16th Amendment, fraudulently ratified and an abomination to the Constitution, our founders and their intent. But it was specifically adopted by Karl Marx, alleged writer of "the Communist Manifesto", used as a blueprint by The Soviet Union, largest mass murderers of their own countrymen in history (People's Republic of China may be number one, but then Marx was one of Mao's disciples anyway).

Not only does the tax illegally tax your labor as a corporate entity, it provides a means for the State to infiltrate the core of society so that no man could be secure in their papers and privacy of their affairs, since it was now upon the citizen to prove that he didnt in fact owe everything to the State. It is as much about theft as it is surveillance and control. Marx made this point OUTRIGHT. When will fools like you ever pick up a book? It will be too late to find one with the truth at the rate we're going.

In addition, it quite tires me to see people like you supporting the would be tyrant kings of the Earth and not The King of Kings. The Old Testament proclaimed that a tax of 10 percent by any government was akin to slavery.

In the spirit of William Milton Cooper and "The Hour of The Time", Goodnight and God Save The Republic.

21 posted on 11/06/2001 9:36:16 PM PST by DrLiberty
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To: DrLiberty
Here here! Perfectly stated. William Cooper was an American patriot who truly believed in the concept of a constitutional republic, a concept which has suffered much erosion in recent years. I recommend his book "Behold a Pale Horse" to everyone on this board. While his ideas would be considered extreme to many, they nevertheless represent legitimate concerns to all those who would safeguard liberty in this great nation. William Cooper will be greatly missed, but that for which he stood will surely live on.
22 posted on 11/06/2001 9:40:12 PM PST by abraxas_sandiego
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To: Gaytriot
I love men, and I love my country. Any questions?

I have one... are you being gay just for the humor benefits? Like on Seinfeld where the dentist pretends to be jewish just to use the jokes...?

funny name though.

23 posted on 11/06/2001 9:40:27 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Mighty Mouse
Deputy Injured and Suspect Killed in Shoot-Out

An Apache County sheriff's deputy was shot in the head and is in guarded condition. It happened during a shoot-out with a man with militia ties. That man, William Cooper, was shot and killed.

It happened late Monday night in the small town of Eagar, Arizona ... 230 miles northeast of Phoenix.

Deputies were serving William Cooper an arrest warrant for assaulting one of his neighbors. The federal government also wanted him for tax evasion.

Cooper had warned officers and federal agents that if they ever came for him, he would not go down without a gun battle.

On his website, Bill Cooper claimed the federal government has targeted his family. He said the nazi Gestapo had threatened him. He believed in UFO’s and he didn't believe in paying taxes.

Cooper wrote if authorities ever tried to arrest him, they would be met with armed resistance.

He ran a small radio show called An Hour of the Time - out of Eagar, Arizona. The focus was predominantly anti-government. Cooper was well known in militia circles.

Timothy McVeigh was a fan of Cooper's, he even reportedly tried to recruit cooper to help him at one point before the Oklahoma City bombing.

But early Tuesday morning - deputies had a warrant - but as promised, Cooper wasn't going quietly. Cooper was shot and killed.

Apache County Deputy Rob Marinez took two bullets to the head. He's expected to survive.

The deputy used to live in Mesa and friends there say he's the sort of cop you want to have around if things get tough.

Deputy Marinez is married and has three children.

24 posted on 11/06/2001 9:42:58 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: Mighty Mouse
Like some other patriot leaders, Cooper refused to get a driver's license or pay federal income taxes, saying he is willing to risk getting ticketed and has found a legal way to avoid the taxes.

He's definitely found a legal way to avoid taxes now.

25 posted on 11/06/2001 9:43:40 PM PST by CubicleGuy
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

In America, Caesar is the Constitution.

26 posted on 11/06/2001 9:44:18 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: Diddle E. Squat
You wrote: Yeah, I get it. America is founded on the RULE OF LAW. Some ranting militia nut prancing about and publicly defying the law is just as disgusting as a Clinton and Reno publicly defying the law.

No you don't get it! Rule of Law can only apply when it is lawful and not "under color of the law", which means having the appearance of rightful law. Just because some "authority" makes a proclamation, does not make it a law - for example if it contradicts the Constitution of the U.S.. You as a US Citizen do not have to submit to an unconstituitional law operating under the color of law.

Do not forget that Germany had a constitition and a democracy when it elected Hitler. History repeats itself and human nature is unchanging. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and as Jefferson said, when all power is drawn to and comes forth from Washington (DC) we will have a tyranny here like the one we escaped by revolution.

I hope, for your sake, sir, that you have your papers on you at all times in the coming future. It may be unpleasant for you if not.

27 posted on 11/06/2001 9:45:05 PM PST by DrLiberty
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To: Demidog
good call.
28 posted on 11/06/2001 9:45:55 PM PST by abraxas_sandiego
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

Yes, by all means do render. Especially if you live in an Empire like the Roman Empire, headed up by an unelected Emperor who lords over subjects who have no rights whatsoever.

But is America an Empire or a Republic? You tell me.

29 posted on 11/06/2001 9:47:41 PM PST by Jay W
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
"Since when are either of these things worthy of being shot down dead?"

If you don't obey the law and then forcefully refuse to be punished; they shoot you. It's a simple concept, central in the idea of government.

30 posted on 11/06/2001 9:50:19 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Texasforever
Ah Tex, can't you stay in one conversation? I thought we were getting along so famously.
31 posted on 11/06/2001 9:52:34 PM PST by philman_36
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To: t-shirt
He ran a small radio show called An Hour of the Time - out of Eagar, Arizona.

In 1995, after the OKC Bombing, he was named as the most dangerous talk-show host in America by William Jefferson Clinton, the impeached, rapist, traitorous former President of the United States who once thanked David Rockefeller with profuse tears for helping him (more like "making") him President, so as to carry out the NWO agenda.

Bill regarded that pronouncement as the finest compliment ever paid to him.

32 posted on 11/06/2001 9:52:55 PM PST by DrLiberty
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To: DrLiberty
BTW, this is at least the third thread on the topic...

First off, going of facts of this incident alone, and those that directly surround it...there were multiple attempts to arrest Cooper with lawfully issued warrants. He evaded or talked his was out of custody each time. The warrant he was being served with was for threatening a neighbor with a gun. On his radio show, he said something to the effect of "if they ever come for my guns, I'll be waiting for them", which pretty much sets the tone and rules of engagement.

Regardless of whether he was right or wrong in his beliefs, the way in which our goverment changes is through law...court cases for precedence, and Constitutional ammendments if warranted. If he had such crystal clear "proof" that the IRS was a sham....allow yourself to be put on trial, get the facts out to the world and the press, win the trial, and that sets the stage for the proper legal changes to the system.

Resisting arrest is usually not beneficial to your cause in court.

1. Re: ...driver's license, see "right to travel" which is an inalienable right, since the beginning of time and upheld in many, many court cases.

I'd be very interested in the sources for this info. I see no mention to the "inalienable right to travel" in the Constitution. Although the Declaration of Independance is the only document of the like which uses the words "inalienable rights", it makes no reference to travel. Therefore, it has to be precedential law you're referring to.

Also, I don't see how a drivers license hinders a "right to travel", if it does exist. As he has shown by not having a drivers license, he was able to travel. He broke laws and was subject to penalties, but it didn't keep him from travelling. Additionally, travel by bus, horse or train do not require a license, and those modes of transportation were also available to him.
34 posted on 11/06/2001 9:57:57 PM PST by Justin Thyme
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To: DrLiberty
1. Re: ...driver's license, see "right to travel" which is an inalienable right, since the beginning of time and upheld in many, many court cases.

You don't need a driver's license to travel, just a thumb or money for a bus ticket. Driving(only around for about a century) is a priveledge, not a right.

Besides, those roads are built and maintained with federal taxes, so if you aren't gonna pay your taxes, don't use the roads!

Papers? A driver's license and soc. security is about all I ever need, downright comes in handy sometimes. Neither seems overly repressive to me. But I'm also not a delusional paranoid spooked by the thought that each passing tumbleweed is actually a jackbooted govt thug in disguise. Pay my taxes ontime, too. They are way too high, but I don't get trigger happy around law enforcement just because of that. But perhaps you are asking me to try and understand the "root cause" of these nutball's anger? Do you want me to "try and understand why they hate the govt so much"?

35 posted on 11/06/2001 9:58:33 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
There was a thread some time ago that expounded greatly on this very subject. It was quite good. I think it would blow your boat completely out of the water as it covered the contextual aspect of the phrase rather than your pedantic attempt to apply it unilaterally.
Too bad I can't remember what the title was right off hand. If I run across it, or if someone else would be so kind as to refresh my memory, I'll flag you to it.
How is the rest of the Squatt family doing? Holding firmly I hope.
36 posted on 11/06/2001 9:58:45 PM PST by philman_36
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To: DrLiberty
Bravo. Some people do get it.
37 posted on 11/06/2001 10:01:01 PM PST by poet
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To: Diddle E. Squat
But perhaps you are asking me to try and understand the "root cause" of these nutball's anger?
WOW...a double testicular reference!
You're good!
38 posted on 11/06/2001 10:03:45 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Diddle E. Squat; DrLiberty; Uncle Bill; Noumenon; Zadokite; Fred Mertz; Thinkin' Gal...
>>>America is founded on the RULE OF LAW

Win at all costs, the rule of law is dead

40 posted on 11/06/2001 10:07:49 PM PST by 2sheep
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