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To: Hugh Akston
Thanks for your reply, Hugh. You're a pretty bright guy; I can tell by your descriptive analysis contained in the term, "crock of shit."

Apparently, most of the country agrees with me, not you, since the majority of people voted for Gore, whether you consider a Florida recount or not. But I'm willing to move forward from there.

First of all, let's examine your Biblical analysis. Have you read the Bible? I have. The defining text for Christianity is the New Testament, not the Old (Jesus was very clear on this point, stating "I am the Law" and "The whole of the Law is summed up in these two commandments: Love God with all of your heart, body and soul, and treat your neighbor as you would be treated." Now in the New Testament, we are not given permission in any way, shape or form to "kill the enemy in war." War is not even mentioned in the New Testament. Instead, Jesus gives very specific instructions on how to handle a conflict (He is very clear, if you actually read Him): "If someone strikes your cheek, offer him the other as well." Obviously, there are cases where war is the logical course of action (as when hunting down Al-Qaida for example). But Christianity does not confer a blessing on this, and we are definitely not given permission by God to kill innocent civilians who had nothing to do with 9/11, which was my point in the first place.

Regarding bigotry and prejudice, which Leftist organizations are you referring to? Let's see, the Freemen and certain militias believe that only whites should have citizenship, but they vote Republican, don't they? Are you referring to the White Supremacists? No, they hate Liberal Democrats, just as you do. Oh, I know, you're talking about David Duke, former KKK member and Dem...no wait, he's a Republican too. Hmmm... I'll keep trying. You also refer to the "lies" in my piece. One thing I find interesting is that when I debate with my conservative friends, they like to use blanket statements about Liberal lies, but they rarely can identify any. Which "lies" are you objecting to? The one about the importance of the First Amendment? The one about how loyal Americans have died for the cause of equality and a free society? The one about how folks who gang up on and beat Americans who have a different skin color are anti-American cowards? Or the one about how God loves equally all people of all nations? You don't need to worry about lies, Hugh. They'll be discovered eventually.

Reasonedvoice (Brett)

154 posted on 12/04/2001 3:29:20 PM PST by ReasonedVoice
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To: ReasonedVoice
Thanks for your reply, Hugh. You're a pretty bright guy; I can tell by your descriptive analysis contained in the term, "crock of shit."
Part of intelligence is knowing the appropriate term to use, even if the verbage might not be full of William F. Buckley terms.

Apparently, most of the country agrees with me, not you, since the majority of people voted for Gore, whether you consider a Florida recount or not. But I'm willing to move forward from there.
A smart person such as yourself would realize a few things, such as the fact that about half of the country did not vote, so you have no way of ascertaining if most of the country agrees with you. Considering how heavy the black turnout was last November, however, and considering how heavy the urban turnout was last November, I think it is reasonable to conclude that of those who did not vote, those who would have voted Gore were outnumbered by those who would have voted Bush.

However, since polls show that 89 percent of the country now is pretty glad that Bush is the President, I think I am on safe ground saying that more of the country agrees with me now than agrees with you.

As for your unwillingness to move on from Florida, who cares what you think? I am perfectly content with you trying to hold on to that mindless sentiment. It will do you no good, and I encourage you to advocate for your candidates next election based on your Florida opinion.

155 posted on 12/04/2001 3:57:24 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: ReasonedVoice
War is not even mentioned in the New Testament.
Not in so many words. However, we have...
Luke 3:14 And the soldiers (they evidently were part of an army) likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
I do believe He meant civilians at the "no man" comment, not other military combatants. Any person considering military service should search the scriptures.

Instead, Jesus gives very specific instructions on how to handle a conflict (He is very clear, if you actually read Him): "If someone strikes your cheek, offer him the other as well."
Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Luke 6:29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
IMO this was an admonition of passive defiance and to not seek retaliation for purely spiteful "personal physical and/or property injuries" by brigands or other persons, even those in positions of authority, while yet looking the malefactor squarely in the eyes.
"Here, have my coat also, as I surely know that the Lord shall render us both our just recompense in due season."

156 posted on 12/04/2001 4:12:43 PM PST by philman_36
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To: ReasonedVoice
Jesus gives very specific instructions on how to handle a conflict
I seem to recall in Matthew 14, Jesus talking about what a wise king does before going to war, and it wasn't precisely for the king to avoid the war. It was that the king would ensure that he would be able to vanquish the enemy.

You may also want to consider Hebrews 11:32-34:

And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets,
who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions,
quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies.
I love when liberals try to debate the Bible.
157 posted on 12/04/2001 4:12:53 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: ReasonedVoice
Militias are bigoted or prejudiced? Where do you get that from?

White Supremecists? Go to the website of Aryan Action and read what they are for- it is lockstep with your typical leftist socialist. David Duke? You won't find him applauded here, but you will find him advocated on Overthrow.com, which is run by far-left rabble-rouser Bill White, who happens to be an employee of Pravda and a communist to the bone.

If you claim to be pro-1st amendment, then we are in agreement. If you want to say that liberals are and conservatives aren't, then you are putting forth a lie. If you talk about Americans dying for the cause of liberty, I will join you in saluting them. If you claim that the left has been respectful of them or has been more involved in actually taking part in such actions than conservatives, then you are putting forth a lie. If you say that conservatives want to keep the black man down, then you are putting forth yet another lie. If you say that the statistics show gun control works, then you are putting forth another lie. As a matter of fact, the entire liberal agenda nowadays is built upon a series of lies.

You don't need to worry about lies, Hugh. They'll be discovered eventually.
Indeed. Despite the left's desire to keep them going.
158 posted on 12/04/2001 4:26:31 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: ReasonedVoice
Jesus was very clear on this point, stating "I am the Law"

This must be from the new anti-American Standard version of the bible. I can't find it in any of the 12 or so versions I have at my fingertips.

(responding now to one of your later posts)

Jesus is a conservative.

Liberals believe in the welfare state. The Word of God says: 2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat

Liberals believe in unions. The Word of God says:(Matthew 20:1-16) that the owners goods are his to deal with. He paid each laborer what He determined to pay them regardless of hours worked or seniority. Definitely anti-union.

Liberals believe in forced usurption of property rights. The word of God says: Matt 20: 1-16 again and Acts 5:1-4 (Ananias and Sapphira and the land they sold).

The liberals believe in multiculturalism and protecting people from being offended by Christian preaching. The Word of God says:Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If we are to preach everywhere, as a Christian, why would you, as a liberal, not let us preach on the city square (for example)

I can come up with tons more given a little time. (homosexuality, abortion, racial strife etc) But I haven't the time at the moment and I think I've proved my point. Jesus is conservative.

God Save America (Please)

182 posted on 12/17/2001 7:25:16 AM PST by John O
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