Given those experiences, and that of others (e.g., Tansill, Flynn, Barnes, Martin, ...) I see the FDR "court" is still alive and well ...
I do wonder, however, what became of Rochefort's " ... a cheap price" [... entry into WWII] thought after the dealings of FDR at Tehran and Yalta ... Iron Curtain, Cold War, ... For example, did the 1939 invasion of Poland start WWII for the British ... and what happened to Poland at the end of WWII???
In this thread, why hasn't anyone "jumped" on Willey (Pearl Harbor ... Mother of All ....}? Or Barlett's "Cover-Up: The Politics of Pearl Harbor," ...On SRH-051 - I did point to Linn's SRH, On Barkin, I did point to Fishel, ...
On Marshall ... very dismissive ... How did you feel when former First Lady "could not recall" dozens of times. Did Marshall lie under oath ... [Give pause, take a breathe, and ... think about a certain "little blue dress" ...] It's OK - we Europe the Marshall Plan, he got the Nobel Peace Prize ... But you do realize "closing ranks" is a practiced art form - especially for the US Navy ... USS Iowa, Tailhook, ... or in WWII the USS Indianapolis, ... Pearl Harbor!!!
I did say "contradictory" as in "whom to believe"... but that drip, drip ... still applies - going in only onw direction that I can see. It is fast becoming a "reductio ad impossible" exercise ...
Stinnett has named specific people and specific documents not shown before ( ..., GUPID, TESTM, ...); recall Toland gave "Seamen Z" [who we now know is Ogg]. Costello [Days of Infamy] point to specific Churchill documents, even "BJ" serial numbers ... [Black Jumbos or "blue jacket"] STILL not released.
Care to comment on why so many "identified" documents are STILL classified? I know, national security.
Bye the bye, until those are released, Budiansky "War of Wits" remains a very IN-complete story.
Book-breaking, radio silence, individual radio-fingerprinting, "fists" RDF, ... Drip, drip, drip ...
Finally, December 7, 2001 is one (1) month away today ... for the 60th Anniversary and to continue to remember, cherish, and honor those who gave their lives ... Truth, Justice, and the American Way!!!
Willey is worse that Stinnett if possible. His allegations of prior JN-25B decrypts have been soundly repudiated by National Archives documents plus the testimony of those involved. He damns the USN cryptologists for lying and being a part of the alleged conspiracy.
I am not familiar with Bartlett's "Cover-up: The Politic of Pearl Harbor." Apparently, it doesn't have much credibility among objective historians. What facts does he rely on???? Same for Barkin or Fishel. Pretty obscure sources in my book. What facts?????
You seem to have missed my agreement as to Marshall's negligence in handling Japanese diplomatic decrypts, but you can't hang any JN-25B or conspiracy charges on him for that.
I have responded to your claims for Toland's Seaman Z/Ogg with specifics. It does no good to answer with book titles and generalities. What did OGG see or do??? Again, facts not fantacies. Ogg's egotistical late "rememberances" have been soundly repudiated by the Commander Newman interview. What else do you have? Why didn't you admit that Ogg is related to Kimmell?
Costello is another revisionist theorist and provides no credible evidence in "Days of Infamy." There have been scores of reams of British records release in the Kew Public Office and I have copies of many of them. They show that FECB did not decrypt JN-25B before 7 Dec 41 and were actually behind the U.S. Navy in this effort. So how could such decrypts be in Churchill's files? You can't close the loop when the capability to decrypt JN-25B was not there!!!
You seem to have missed my expose of Stinnett's interpretation of the TESTM reports. Go back and read my article. Then you will see there is nothing in the TESTM reports to substantiate any Kido Butai messages or HFDF fixes. Again, let's talk facts not fantacy! As to GUPID, Stinnett has not produced any messages in the crypto system that supports his conspiracy theory allegations. The mere fact that the U.S. Navy had three or four cryptographic systems to pass cryptologic information proves nothing. Please cite a specific GUPID or TESTM message and what it says that supports Stinnett's and your allegations.
After all their "evidence" of FDR's alleged conspiracy has been debunked, the last refuge is to maintain there are still classified documents being hidden by the present administration and National Archives personnel who are also in on the massive conspiracy that is continuing to date.
Let's get off the backs of the dedicated naval cryptologic personnel who although few in numbers did keep track of Japanese naval operations through cryptology and provided the great information that won the Battle of Midway helped shoot down Yamamoto. Rochefort and his group at Station H were at Pearl Harbor too. Ten navy cryptologists spent the war as POW's in Japan. Some were killed and injured on the New Mexico etc.
Why can't you just admit the Japanese pulled off a daring surprise attack under extreme secrecy? That secrecy hid the movement of the Kido Butai westward to Pearl Harbor from Rochefort, Corregidor and FECB. In fact, no message outlining the Pearl Harbor attack was ever sent by radio. Stinnett has been proven wrong on that issue also. See Larry Schweikart's book review above.
Why tarnish the good names of dedicated Navy men due to a hate for FDR and his liberal politics. Conservatives like Professor Larry Schweikart and myself can see through Stinnett's tortured logic and misreprentations of cryptologic documents. Why can't you? Honoring those who were killed at Pearl Harbor is not dependent on damning the good names of their Navy shipmates who happen to be cryptologists.