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Lie Detector Tests Bring Suspensions
AP ^ | 10/27/2001 | JAY HUGHES

Posted on 10/27/2001 11:50:02 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

Lie Detector Tests Bring Suspensions

DUNLAP, Ill. (AP) -

As is the case in many small towns, the highway leading into Dunlap is decorated with a few wooden signs supporting the high school and its athletic teams.

But even with the Dunlap Eagles in the football playoffs for the first time since 1994, games aren't the primary talk of the town. It's all about polygraphs - no lie.

Some players have been suspended for attending a party at which alcohol was served. In an unusual twist, the school district used lie detector tests to prove some of them were there.

``You would think they have better things to do,'' Mark Wade, a 1979 Dunlap High graduate, said of school officials.

Schools Superintendent Bill Collier said that's not the issue. All the suspected athletes were reported by police as attending the party Oct. 6, although many claimed they left as soon as they realized alcohol was present.

Collier, who admits getting in trouble for similar reasons when he was a teen-ager, noted that three athletes accused of attending the party were cleared - impossible without the polygraph, which had never been used to enforce the school's conduct code.

``For these three kids, this worked exactly the way it is supposed to work,'' he said. ``It may look bad, it may sound bad, but it's the fairest way.''

Like most Illinois public schools, Dunlap has a policy regarding alcohol, tobacco and drug use that must be signed by anyone participating in extracurricular activities. Violations are punishable by suspension from competition.

Initially, 15 athletes were accused of attending the party. Three admitted guilt; two more were suspended after refusing to take the polygraph. Seven of the 10 who took the test failed and were barred from competition.

Peoria County deputies raided the party and the names of students who were present, as well as some who had left their cars there, were forwarded to the school in a police report. Many of the accused proclaimed innocence; their parents hired an attorney.

``Everybody likes our policy until their child is caught,'' Collier said.

Attorney Matt Jones, who represents the accused students and their parents, helped supervise the polygraph sessions. Collier described the scene as sad, with some parents shedding tears as they realized their children had lied to them as well as the school.

Jones said a lawsuit challenging the suspensions is unlikely, but parents might try to pressure the school board into changing the policy. He said the 10 suspended football players were concerned about more than the outcome of a game,

``Part of the disappointment is the public scrutiny and having their parents disappointed in them,'' he said. ``With most of them, it's not about their participation but because they let down their team.''

Dunlap, which has about 1,000 residents, is a farming village that's transforming into a bedroom community for Peoria, about 12 miles to the south. The situation has become a topic of conversation, although many residents seem reluctant to talk about it with strangers.

On a recent afternoon at Christie's Place, the town's tavern, Wade said the drinking policy existed when he was in high school and that athletes and others were sometimes questioned about their weekend activities. He said their answers were accepted - sometimes the answers were lies - but nobody would have given teen-agers a polygraph exam.

``That wouldn't have washed. The parents wouldn't have stood for it,'' said Wade, who admits violating the policy in his day.

He said he knows society views teen-age drinking harsher than it did when he was at Dunlap, but the punished students don't deserve to miss the rest of the season. Even if they violated the rules, he said, they were not at a school-related event and were just acting like teen-agers.

Still, Collier said he decided to use the polygraph because he felt getting the truth was important.

``I do know kids and adults can't continue to tell lies,'' he said. ``Parents need to do more communicating with their kids on real life issues and find out what they're doing on weekends.''


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To: meenie
Only as a last resort.
21 posted on 10/28/2001 2:53:14 AM PST by VMI70
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To: meenie
On second thought, why waste time with the niceties?
22 posted on 10/28/2001 2:54:17 AM PST by VMI70
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To: HiTech RedNeck
To all evidence, polygraphs are snake oil. A skilled operator might wring a confession out of an ignorant examinee now and then, but a proof? Ridiculous.

Polygraph "testing" has no scientific basis: it's a fraud that depends on the examinee's ignorance and fear of the procedure. You might be interested in AntiPolygraph.org's free book on polygraphy, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, which can be downloaded here (503kb PDF):

http://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf

23 posted on 10/28/2001 4:45:07 AM PST by George Maschke
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Parents today are a little too willing to let the schools run rampant over their kids' rights. Their attorney should have told the school officials to back off and followed it with a suit to sue if they didn't.
24 posted on 10/28/2001 5:16:40 AM PST by bettina0
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To: VMI70
High School. I dropped College a year and a half ago.
25 posted on 10/28/2001 6:33:00 AM PST by Bogey78O
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To: bettina0
"...kids' rights...": BARF

The problem is parents don't parent. They leave it up to the schools to raise and discipline the brats; consequently, the schools can't educate them, and episodes like this are the result.

26 posted on 10/28/2001 6:42:22 AM PST by VMI70
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To: RDangerfield
I've already thought about this "suspension" of certain Constitutional rights. It sucks. However, I think a Federal judge will put limits on it or do it the Constitutional way and "veto" it. But I suspect the judge will put limits on it. That's my hope anyway.
27 posted on 10/29/2001 9:43:32 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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To: Matt Drudge
THIS STORY BROKE FIRST AT FREEREPUBLIC by TLBSHOW

And then here too a week later

28 posted on 11/06/2001 7:02:44 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Great strategy. Numb the populace that polygraphs are an acceptable tool in work, then schools, then everywhere. No big deal - it "protects" the innocent.

Then of course comes the convenience of determining the results of a polygraph to benefit the state. When did YOU stop beating your wife? LOL.

29 posted on 11/06/2001 7:05:24 AM PST by txzman
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To: TLBSHOW
Perhaps the Superintendent wouldn't mind if he was hooked up to the Machine and asked a few questions about his personal life....
30 posted on 11/06/2001 7:09:58 AM PST by Area51
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