Posted on 10/25/2001 7:17:34 PM PDT by truthandlife
And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan (Exodus 6:3-4).
Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel (Eze 11:17)
The Bush administration's shifting policy toward Israel, including support for a Palestinian State, should be of grave concern to every Bible-believing American. U.S. policy, which effectively opposes Israel's right to self-defense, is so thoroughly hypocritical, especially in light of the U.S. action in Afghanistan, that even Congressional Democrats who favor a Palestinian state are reacting to it. But far more important:
--God's covenant with the Jewish people regarding their inheritance of the land of Israel is one of the most frequently mentioned themes in Holy Scripture. God will keep His promises. American Christians must not stand idly by and allow our young-Christian President to be hoodwinked by advisors who do not know the Bible or the God of the Bible (see Gen 15:18; 17:8; 28:13-15; 35:1213; Dt 30:1-6; Jer 11:5; 30:3; 32:37-33:26; Eze 11:16-17; 20:41-44; 34:12-13; 36:22-24; 38:8; 39:25-28; 47:13-48:35; Amos 9:13-15; Zec 7:14; 8:1-8).
--God is watching. Although He lifted His Hand to allow the terrible attacks that have led to the present war, we believe His hand of protection has not been removed totally. But we also believe that if we abandon Israel, whether motivated by oil, military or political strategy or for our own nation's self preservation, it will be "the last straw" for America. God's hedge, upon which we depend, could be lifted from our beloved land altogether. God is Judge of all nations! (Ps 9:17; 82:1; Is 2:4a; Zec 2:7-13; 12:3; 14:3).
God warned Israel not to trust in horses or chariots but to trust in the Lord our God. America must do likewise and stand by Israel even if it means alienating many others. If we bend, in the long run, these nations will hate us still and we will have lost everything - including God's favor. Although the administration is vacillating and may appear to be shoring up its commitment to Israel, President Bush needs to hear from each of us. Please take time right away to write President Bush a letter from your own heart. A letter is better than a fax, a fax better than a phone call, a phone call better than an email. This simple act could be the most important of your life. (White House mail is being processed, albeit slowly, because of the anthrax attacks. But don't let this deter you from writing.)
Write: The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW, Washington, DC 20500
Call or Fax: The White House Switchboard - 202-456-1414, Fax - 202-456-2461
Please Join us in Prevailing Prayer:
--Heavenly Father, SPEAK to our President! Cause men & women of God from across America & from around the world to make an EFFECTIVE APPEAL. May George Bush HEAR Your Voice, LEARN Your Word and DO Your Will. May the U.S. remain immovably loyal to Israel. In Jesus' Name. Amen (1 Kg 22:5, 13; 2 Kg 22:18-19; Es 4:14; Pr 21:1; Is 30:21; Mt 6:10; 1 Cor 15:58).
Now you're simply being dishonest.
There are any number of ancient peoples who have had similar experiences (the Armenians for another example). Those experiences by themselves do not provide the evidence for the bechirah (election).
The G-d Who created the world (which is described in the JEWISH and not the chr*stian Bible) is the G-d of Israel, and not of the Rom or any other people. The Torah is the Torah of Israel, and not of the Rom. The Holy Language with which the world was created and which all humanity spoke before the Tower of Babel was the language of Israel (Hebrew), not Rom. The Bible is set in 'Eretz Yisra'el and deals with the Jewish people, not the Tom.
Maybe the next time people want to "displace" the Jews with a new religion they won't make the mistake of including the JEWISH Bible at the front so that simple rednecks read it first (and thus interpret the second half through it rather than vice versa). Then maybe rootless Anglo-Americans like me won't latch onto modern Israel as a touchstone the way Jamaican r*st*f*rians latched onto Ethiopia.
I doubt that the people in the Procurator's courtyard constituted a quorum of the Jewish nation.
I would if you would tell me to what you are referring. The "Scofield" thing? As a matter of fact, the entire text of the "chr*stian reconstructionist" classic The Rapture Cult which makes this claim is online. Any web search should show you a link.
Sorry..... :)
I have nothing against Israel as a political state. It's the transfiguration of Israel as an ICON I can do without.
Sheesh. You go away for a year and a bunch of new guys come along who don't know diddley-squat about you.
Listen, johnn-come-lately, I am not Jewish. I am a Bible Belt Fundamentalist whose sincere and very long religious studies finally ended in accepting that Torah Judaism is the Ultimate Truth and that non-Jews are obliged to keep the Seven Laws of the Sons of Noah. I am a Ben Noach. And most Benei Noach in the United States are Southerners from Fundamentalist backgrounds.
Second of all, I am not only a lifelong Republican (the very first vote I ever cast on turning 18 was for Ronald Reagan in my state's Republican primary), but I am from an old 19th Century Southern Unionist Republican family, which means I am more Republican than the pipsqueak 1964 "Dixiecrat" converts.
Third of all, you could not possibly be as sick of people like me as I am of people like you with your heads shoved up your assholes who come to FR and play the "let's pretend Israel was our open and declared enemy during the Cold War and that Arabs died by the thousands to protect South Africa from Mandela" game.
Pagans like you believe that if one bunch of Communists (your PLO heroes) happen to destroy Israel that all the other communists (Castro et al) will go up in smoke. So tell me some more about how supporting Israel against Arab Communists is a liberal, left, democratic position. And I'll tell you that Castro is actually a friend of your buddy Qaddafi. And you'll ignore it like the lunkhead you are.
I have made NO mistake. This is a convoluted statement that is totally unnecessary. A simple apology, on your part, to the people of America would have been appropriate. Nothing more. Real simple.
>>>I am sorry you misinterpreted my words, and I am also sorry you felt compelled to respond in anger rather than ask for clarification.
I didn't respond with anger and I've not misinterpreted anything either. You made an arrogant remark and then attempted to cover it up, but you were caught. Again, a simple apology was in order, but you chose to defend the indefensible. So be it.
>>>I hope this explanation satisfies you.
An explanation is okay, but it isn't an apology.
The Jewish State owes it's very existence to the USA and you should never forget that. Please, stop embarrassing the great Jewish people with any further remarks on your part.
Thank you.
If the Israelies are tuly our friends, they should call Beekins Van Lines and MOVE. The three billion a year we send them in credit could be used to build them new cities and homes.
Enough about a rabi who tried to reform the Jewish religion and got staked for his efforts.
Who wrote the bible and what happened in 403 to change it?
Lets have some peace in the middle East for Gods sake.
I have nothing against Israel as a political state. It's the transfiguration of Israel as an ICON I can do without.
But you're willing to buy a socialist "utopia" of "Palestine" because anything that is bad for Israel is bad for Communism.
Do you have any grounds for your religious beliefs whatsoever? Or is that just what you've always believed? I've investigated them all and am convinced I can prove it to anybody.
P.S.: It might help you if you could actually read the Bible. No translation is adequate.
No, Israel and America owe their very existence to the LORD God of Israel and we should never forget that. Both are but instruments in his purpose. What do they teach in schools these days ?
You're entitled to your beliefs and viewpoint.
As far as what is taught in school these days, I don't know. I graduated public school some 30-years ago. But I hear it's awful today. Why do you ask?
You might label them monarchies, dictatorships or military juntas, but I don't think communist is accurate. I'd say they mostly aligned with the commies against the US during the cold war ..... mainly because of our "Israel- right or wrong" policies.
The destiny of people with your attitude is to get a lot of people mad at you. You insult them over and over again. You blatantly show allegiance toward a foreign country over America. You insult Americans, Christians, and Gentiles. Your remark above is blatantly anti-Gentile, and then you wonder why so many people get so mad at you. You blame it on us, but the real problem is your egotistical and arrogant attitude. Why don’t you go on an African-American or a Chinese message board, tell them how superior you are, and see what happens. You are the one causing the trouble here, not us. We don’t go on Israel message boards and try to tell those people that we are superior to them. Get wise to yourself. You bring on your own problems. You insult people so much that they get mad at you, and then you blame them for getting mad at you. I think you really need to see a psychiatrist.
So, what have you got against the 16th century? "Everything old is new again." The U.S. has just been attacked by people straight out of the seventh century. "Modern" man seems to have a little difficulty coming to grips with this.
A 16th century man would know what to do.
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