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To: Physicist
Well then, who created god?

Did he just pop out of nowhere one day? Gradually evolve from lesser beings? Yes, there are alot of things that we do not understand about the universe, but I have a much easier time believing that we originated due to a series of improbable coincidences than there is some devine being, who appears to be able to transcend all known laws of physics to tinker at a microscopic level with a massively complex universe.

Even if there were a supernatural being behind our every move, who's to say that it is a christian god? Why are the Native American myths of creation any less truthful? The christian concept of god is no less mythical than the Greek and Roman gods of ancient mythology.

As for public schools, they serve a valuable purpose in ensuring children are exposed to scientific ideals, rather than being trapped in their parent's religion.

34 posted on 10/15/2001 8:23:29 PM PDT by Proud Canadian
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To: Proud Canadian
It's obvious that you don't have a clue as to the views held by Physicist.
Why don't you wade around this forum a little bit before you embarrass youself further.
39 posted on 10/15/2001 8:33:13 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Proud Canadian; Physicist
Without stating my beliefs, Proud Canadian, I note your thinly-veiled bias in this matter by observing how you employ case in your remarks:

Even if there were a supernatural being behind our every move, who's to say that it is a christian god? Why are the Native American myths of creation any less truthful? The christian concept of god is no less mythical than the Greek and Roman gods of ancient mythology.

Even though the term "Christian" is properly capitalized, you fail (refuse) to do so on each occasion that you use the term. Likewise for the term "God" as reference for the specific deity, as opposed to the general term "gods," to which you applied the proper case when referring to those of Greek and Roman mythology. Yet, you invariably (carefully) capitalize the terms "Native American" and "Greek" and "Roman" in your diatribe. What this all reveals, aside from an a priori bias against Christianity's truth claims, is a form of reply which attempts to impugne or belittle by use of childish and immature debate mechanisms.

As to your question, "Well then, who created god?", that's a question which an apparently finer mind than yours has already posed. Bertrand Russell's Why I Am Not A Christian, perhaps the most articulate statement of unbelief in print, attempts to address this question, but nevertheless fails to come to closure on it. And, as to your follow-on question, "Why are the Native American myths of creation any less truthful?", even though you pose the question you appear unwilling to have the rigor to attempt to answer your own question by examining the truth claims of each belief system. To pose such a question, and be unwilling to address it, is evidence of a lax, ham-handed effort to refute someone else's position without providing a substantive response.

Translation: You need to do far better than that if you are to refute Physicist's statements and position. (Advantage: Physicist.)

51 posted on 10/16/2001 12:01:05 AM PDT by The Schnoid from Sheboygan
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To: Proud Canadian
Well then, who created god?

You're hinting at Martin Heidegger's fundamental question of metaphysics: "Why does anything exist? Why not just nothing?"

Ayn Rand got it right when she chose as an axiom: "Existence exists". Start with that, and there's no more question-begging.

53 posted on 10/16/2001 5:06:01 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Proud Canadian
Well then, who created god?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Did he just pop out of nowhere one day? Gradually evolve from lesser beings? Yes, there are alot of things that we do not understand about the universe, but I have a much easier time believing that we originated due to a series of improbable coincidences than there is some devine being, who appears to be able to transcend all known laws of physics to tinker at a microscopic level with a massively complex universe.

You are starting to sound like a Mormon....

Even if there were a supernatural being behind our every move, who's to say that it is a christian god? Why are the Native American myths of creation any less truthful? The christian concept of god is no less mythical than the Greek and Roman gods of ancient mythology.

In this instance, I think that Catholics, Protestants and any other form of Christian would inform you to look to the Bible

As for public schools, they serve a valuable purpose in ensuring children are exposed to scientific ideals, rather than being trapped in their parent's religion.

Sorry, but even if we take the "science vs religion" issue out of the picture, I have not been impressed with our schools. They are proving more and more liberal. My plans are to soon start homeschooling. I have met children who are being home schooled, and have found that most are above the level of the Public Education system (Not to slam individual schools or teachers... there are many good ones out there).

69 posted on 10/16/2001 8:21:06 AM PDT by The Bard
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