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Confederate Decline
Midwest Conservative Journal ^
| October 8, 2001
| Christopher S. Johnson
Posted on 10/15/2001 5:32:09 PM PDT by websterglobe
The Editor confesses that he once flirted with the idea of Confederate nationalism. The arid banality and relentless stupidity of modern Western society, as well as its implacable hostility to the Christian religion, seemed to make preserving the South and its distinctive culture mandatory. But given a recent statement on the September 11th attack by Dr. Michael Hill, president of the League of the South, the Editor now realizes that he wasted his time. Some selections follow; the complete statement can be found here.
In the midst of rightful sorrow and anger that accompany such events, we ought to struggle to understand why this has happened to us. The logical question with which to begin is a simple one: Why does the United States have so many enemies abroad? Could it be that since the War Between the States, America has become an empire with its tentacles-both military and financial-squeezing the entire globe? The U.S. Establishment elite has committed itself to a thoroughgoing reconstruction of the world in its own image. Such policies have thus alienated many peoples who dont wish to live in the mold Uncle Sam foists upon them. Now, innocent Americans are paying the price--in blood--for their leaders arrogance, hubris, and megalomania. In short, the U.S. has ignored the Founders sound advice, and oftentimes has not been a good neighbor. It is long past time for the U.S. to restore a foreign policy based on vigilant neutrality and a defense policy based truly on defense rather than imperial ambition.
Quite right, Doctor. Americans are marching foreigners into theaters to see American movies and forcing Coca-Cola down their throats. We're kidnapping tens of thousands of college-age foreign students, flying them here, and forcing them into graduate school. We are truly evil.
Americans take great offense when they themselves are wronged, but they turn a blind eye when their own government wrongs others. No civilized persons could approve what was done to Americans on 11 September. But by the same standard, no just man could sanction, for instance, the recent U.S.-NATO bombing campaign against Serbia in which thousands of civilians were callously targeted for destruction. The list of such wrongs around the world is long, as are the memories of those who suffered them. And one is left to wonder if terrorist acts in New York and Washington are not somehow reminders to the worlds only remaining superpower that judgment indeed is visited upon nations who use their own vast powers unjustly. Let us carefully consider the words of some of our leaders who caution Americans to prepare themselves for high casualty rates among foreign civilians as we move to punish the guilty. In our anger and frustration, are we going to descend to the level of the barbarians who attacked New York and Washington?
Let's see. Muslim governments disagree with our support of Israel, say. So that automatically makes that support wrong? Evil, even? We should stop supporting Israel simply because Muslim governments don't like it? It's our Palestinians won't stop trying to kill Jews?
In the midst of this terrible carnage and destruction, we call upon Southerners and other Americans not to fall prey to a false sense of patriotism[emphasis mine]. Rather, we encourage them to pray that God remember mercy and that He give their leaders wisdom, discernment, and understanding to handle this and future crises so that their own nation may stand blameless before Him who holds the destinies of all nations in His hands. Otherwise, we should not wish to be unequally yoked to such a regime.
There is very little in these selections or in Dr. Hill's complete statement with which Susan Sontag, Michael Moore, Barbara Kingsolver, Joe Sobran, etc. can disagree and this is very sad. The Editor. whose family on his father's side comes from Tennessee, believes that had New York City been attacked in a similar way in 1859, Jefferson Davis would not have issued a self-righteous statement claiming that abolitionist chickens had come home to roost. He would have left Washington, gone home to Mississippi and raised a regiment. But times and Confederates seem to have changed.
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posted on
10/15/2001 5:32:09 PM PDT
by
websterglobe
(websterglobe@juno.com)
To: websterglobe
As a lifelong Texan, I can poke fun at Yankees with the best of them, but those were our Yankees that were attacked on September 11th. Nobody gets away with that.
To: DallasMike
As a southerner and descendent of southerners who have been down here for over two hundred years, I will not fall prey to false patriotism, the kind that makes you demean your country. I have true patriotism and would like to nuke someone right now in the name of the South, Robert E. Lee, Zachary Taylor, Huey Long, Jimmie Davis and Jimmie Buffett. Did I miss anyone?
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posted on
10/15/2001 5:42:16 PM PDT
by
cajungirl
To: DallasMike
, but those were our Yankees that were attacked Dittos on that.
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posted on
10/15/2001 5:53:13 PM PDT
by
blackbag
To: DallasMike
As a lifelong Texan, I can poke fun at Yankees with the best of them, but those were our Yankees that were attacked on September 11th. Nobody gets away with that.As a damnyank, thank you sir.
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posted on
10/15/2001 5:57:40 PM PDT
by
dighton
To: websterglobe
Me and my Yankee brethren can fight amongst ourselves, we squabble and fight but they are my brothers. They still are my blood and we share a common American Heritage. What the terrorists did to my countrymen makes my blood boil. I may be Southern but I am an American and will fight for and help the New Yorkers and Yankees that have been so cowardly attacked.
When someone from outside messes with us, I am an American first and Southerner second.
To: websterglobe
I respect Dr. Hill and the League of the South quite a bit. But falling into the "blame the victim" mentality right now is inappropriate. The time for discussing whether or not our foreign policy had too many "tentacles" was
before 11 September, not after.
I'm a born-and-bred Virginian. I grew up on tales of the War of Northern Aggression. I've stood at Jeb Stuart's and Jefferson Davis' graves in Richmond, seen the memorial in Oakwood Cemetary to the units in Pickett's Charge--one of which was an artillery battery from my hometown (Amherst, Virginia). I all but wept when the Naval Jack came down from the State Capitol here in Columbia, SC. I only half-jokingly refer to myself as a "Confederate-American".
That doesn't matter right now. I took the hyphen off on the morning of 11 September. I'm an American now, dammit, nothing more, nothing less. I'll still fight anyone that tries to revise my history or denigrate my beloved Southland, but I'll save the recriminations and "told ya so"'s for later, if ever. We've got bigger fish to fry.
Fifty-seven years ago, a bunch of my Virginia homeboys stood in the forefront of the greatest invasion the world has ever seen. They fought, bled, and died for the country that had defeated their grandfathers, put their state through twelve years of hellish Reconstruction, and discounted them all as "rednecks" and "hicks". And they did it proudly.
The Virginians were the 29th Infantry Division, and the place was Omaha Beach, Normandy. Here's hoping the Southland will raise another generation like them. I know she will.
God save the South, and God bless America.
}:-)4
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posted on
10/15/2001 6:03:17 PM PDT
by
Moose4
To: websterglobe
Useless piece by some mope looking for a job.
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posted on
10/15/2001 6:03:27 PM PDT
by
junta
To: dighton
Even as a teen in metropolitan Atlanta in the 70's, I had an aversion to all those rebel flag wavin', Yankee hatin', bretheren of mine. I not ashamed of the South, but I have always considered myself an American first, anything else second, esp growing up while Iranians were holding our people hostage. This separatism, which is only regarded by the smallest of minorities, (I have never heard any Southerner seriously speak of this), is only for those who have nothing better to do than sit around and dream up things like that. It's Northerners, and Westerners, Midwesterners and Southerners, and others, that make up this great nation. I think everyone, coast to coast, has finally realized that now.....
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posted on
10/15/2001 6:07:41 PM PDT
by
Malcolm
To: websterglobe
This weekend we held an annual Confederate Memorial Service. The US flag was front and center.
The Confederate flag is a soldiers flag. It has gotten the bad reputation it has today because people took it and used it for political purposes. No political party or group with a political agenda should use the Confederate soldier's flag for anything other than honoring them. I don't trust my great-grandfather's flag to any modern political group or movement, even a Southern one.
Our Confederate forefathers, except for a few fire-eaters, left the Union only with much regret and as a last resort. The Secession Convention in my own State first voted to remain in the Union and only reconvened to secede after Lincoln called for troops to supress the other Southern States. The benefits of a continental union as laid out in the Federalist Papers are not something to give up without regret or as anything other than a last resort. General Lee knew that and agonized over it.
Dr. Hill's statement was embarassing to me as a Southerner and a defender of the Confederate flag. From what I have seen, his statement does not reflect the feelings of the great majority of those interested in Confederate heritage in my area.
The people in New York have behaved with great honor. Nothing that the United States government has ever done justifies what happened to the people working in the World Trade Center, in the Pentagon, or travelling in those airplanes. NOTHING. Many of those who were attacked were Southerners. A great many of the men and women who are fighting tonight in central Asia are Southerners. Southerners have died in great numbers defending the US flag from the Revolution to now. If I had to make the choice between going to help "Southern nationalists" write another press release like that one or going to help yankees in New York dig out bodies I would be with the Yankees.
I'd ask that folks try not to judge the Confederate flag by Dr. Hill or ANY OTHER post-Civil War person or group. I'd prefer that folks judge it by the farm boys who carried it into battle in 1861-65 because they are the ONLY ones who have any claim to it WHATSOEVER. SOLDIERS:
By an agreement made between Liet.-Gen. Taylor, commanding the Department of Alabama. Mississippi, and East Louisiana, and Major-Gen. Canby, commanding United States forces, the troops of this department have been surrendered.
I do not think it proper or necessary at this time to refer to causes which have reduced us to this extremity; nor is it now a matter of material consequence to us how such results were brought about. That we are beaten is a self-evident fact, and any further resistence on our part would justly be regarded as the very height of folly and rashness.
The armies of Generals LEE and JOHNSON having surrendered. you are the last of all the troops of the Confederate States Army east of the Mississippi River to lay down your arms.
The Cause for which you have so long and so manfully struggled, and for which you have braved dangers, endured privations, and sufferings, and made so many sacrifices, is today hopeless. The government which we sought to establish and perpetuate, is at an end. Reason dictates and humanity demands that no more blood be shed. Fully realizing and feeling that such is the case, it is your duty amd mine to lay down our arms -- submit to the ?powers that be? -- and to aid in restoring peace and establishing law and order throughout the land.
The terms upon which you were surrendered are favorable, and should be satisfactory and acceptable to all. They manifest a spirit of magnanimity and liberality, on the part of the Federal authorities, which should be met, on our part, by a faithful compliance with all the stipulations and conditions therein expressed. As your Commander, I sincerely hope that every officer and soldier of my command will cheerfully obey the orders given, and carry out in good faith all the terms of the cartel.
Those who neglect the terms and refuse to be paroled, may assuredly expect, when arrested, to be sent North and imprisoned. Let those who are absent from their commands, from whatever cause, report at once to this place, or to Jackson, Miss.; or, if too remote from either, to the nearest United States post or garrison, for parole.
Civil war, such as you have just passed through naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings; and as far as it is in our power to do so, to cultivate friendly feelings towards those with whom we have so long contended, and heretofore so widely, but honestly, differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out; and, when you return home, a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect of your enemies. Whatever your responsibilities may be to Government, to society, or to individuals meet them like men.
The attempt made to establish a separate and independent Confederation has failed; but the consciousness of having done your duty faithfully, and to the end, will, in some measure, repay for the hardships you have undergone.
In bidding you farewell, rest assured that you carry with you my best wishes for your future welfare and happiness. Without, in any way, referring to the merits of the Cause in which we have been engaged, your courage and determination, as exhibited on many hard-fought fields, has elicited the respect and admiration of friend and foe. And I now cheerfully and gratefully acknowledge my indebtedness to the officers and men of my command whose zeal, fidelity and unflinching bravery have been the great source of my past success in arms.
I have never, on the field of battle, sent you where I was unwilling to go myself; nor would I now advise you to a course which I felt myself unwilling to pursue. You have been good soldiers, you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor, and the Government to which you have surrendered can afford to be, and will be, magnanimous.
--General Nathan Bedford Forrest
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posted on
10/15/2001 6:24:54 PM PDT
by
Arkinsaw
To: websterglobe
To: Arkinsaw
As A damned Yankee Let me assure you that the Stars and Bars holds the same respect in my heart as the Stars and Stripes.
In times like these we are all Yankees and Rebels....east to West ..North To South.
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
To: websterglobe
Way I see it America today is like a John Ford Calvary flick, The Rebs, Yanks and the Irish may fight among themselves but when the Savages go on a holy war and Cpt Briddle (John Wayne) tells the bugler to sound charge we all fight together.
Saw "She wore a Yellow Ribbon" again last night, always liked the Yankee Captain placing the Star and Bars on the former Confederate solder's coffin.
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posted on
10/15/2001 8:25:29 PM PDT
by
Swiss
Comment #14 Removed by Moderator
To: websterglobe
"...pray that God remember mercy and that He give their leaders wisdom, discernment, and understanding to handle this and future crises so that their own nation may stand blameless before Him who holds the destinies of all nations in His hands. Otherwise, we should not wish to be unequally yoked to such a regime." Amen...
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