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To: cdw19390
You should know by now that any comment which is in any way uncomplimentary towards Israel will lead to immediate ad-hominen attacks against the poster. Objective discussion goes out the window - you will be called names and will definitely be labled anti-Jewish. If you're Jewish and post something slightly derogatory about Israel you'll be labled a "self-hating Jew". The truth, or seeking the truth, is irrelevant on certain subjects. FR has become inhabited by some who do nothing but launch personal attacks against anybody who raises certain subjects. You may find the truth and enjoy objective discussions on some subjects on FR but you will not find the truth nor enjoy objective discussions when it comes to Israel and/or the Israel/Palestinian/Mid-East issue. For myself, I support Israel... but I support the United States first - even if it is at the expense of Israel. (And I will of course be labled "anti-Jewish" because I place my nation first.)
25 posted on 10/14/2001 5:33:04 AM PDT by waxhaw
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To: waxhaw
Objective discussion goes out the window

Please tell me what the objective discussion is supposed to be when someone's post fails to reflects the current state of news and is posting the claim israeli did it with ZERO facts or source support other than his own bias?

I heard on "THE OTHER NEWS STATION" last night That there were few JEWs among the unfortunate victims at WTC. I know the owner of one outfit said how lucky he was not have been there when hundreds of his employees got killed. His name was Runick or something similar. Has any one seen a complete list? I hope this is not true. If it is it means Isreal knew, ( which I have to believe they did with their Intelligence, gathering ability) and let this happen to suck us into this quagmire. God help us.

26 posted on 10/14/2001 5:40:30 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: waxhaw
If either of you two are going to support ridiculous unfounded accusations that there were few Jew casualties because the Jews were supposedly tipped off and they warned nobody else, then you need to have some evidence.

As it happens there is no such evidence and you probably already know that unless you are incredibly stupid or unless you are simply a Jew hater with you own aggenda.

28 posted on 10/14/2001 5:49:33 AM PDT by winslow
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To: waxhaw
You may find the truth and enjoy objective discussions on some subjects on FR but you will not find the truth nor enjoy objective discussions when it comes to Israel and/or the Israel/Palestinian/Mid-East issue. For myself, I support Israel... but I support the United States first - even if it is at the expense of Israel. (And I will of course be labled "anti-Jewish" because I place my nation first.)

Well, I'm not Jewish. I'm not even sure I was/am necessarily "pro-Israel." I do know that your efforts at softening the criticism of this cdw character are . . . wrong. This cdw person posts some entirely unsubstantiated crap here . . . and suggests that unless we can provide evidence contradicting his claim, he's right. While some fellow freepers may indeed be gov't or other types with access to the lists of dead, most of us cannot provide this "proof."

This is assinine, and calling it as much doesn't mean we aren't having real discussions about real issues and the truth. It means this cdw is a disruptor that deserves exactly what they're getting.

It's prepostorous that a bunch of arab men got on planes and crashed them into buildings under the direction of Israel. It is so apparent to any halfway objective observer that this is unadulterated crap that suggesting otherwise indeed appears prima facie evidence of anti-semitism.

33 posted on 10/14/2001 6:04:07 AM PDT by hoyaloya
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To: waxhaw
"You should know by now that any comment which is in any way uncomplimentary towards Israel will lead to immediate ad-hominen attacks against the poster.
Objective discussion goes out the window - you will be called names and will definitely be labled anti-Jewish.
If you're Jewish and post something slightly derogatory about Israel you'll be labled a "self-hating Jew"."

Jackie Mason mentioned that if G-d loved the Jewish peoples so much that He would not have had them turn left into the desert,but instead to the right where all the oil is....

But there those on this forum who still resent the fact that all Jews do not turn to Zionism...

36 posted on 10/14/2001 6:04:57 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: waxhaw; cdw19390
Unless you can provide something other than you heard it on "the other radio station", you implied belief that Israel was behind the WTC attacks is ignorant at best, anti-semitic and malicious at worst.

When you state this sort of stuff, it's best to provide some sort of link, no matter how credible or not it is.

Your Al-Qaida and Taliban buddies are already warning their friends about the "next big one"

Al-Qaida: Leaders Will Be Punished
Source: Excite News for @home.com
Author: NADIA ABOU EL-MAGD, Associated Press Writer
Updated: Sat, Oct 13 8:56 PM EDT

A spokesman for Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network has repeated threats to carry out new terror attacks and said in a video aired Saturday that Muslims in the United States and Britain should avoid airplanes and tall buildings.

Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, speaking on a videotape on Qatar's Al-Jazeera satellite channel, also accused President Bush, his father, former President Clinton and the prime ministers of Israel and Britain of leading "crusaders" guilty of killing Muslims.

"The blood of those will not be lost in vain, God willing," he said.

The 8-minute statement was the third released by bin Laden's organization since the U.S.-led bombardment against the Taliban and al-Qaida began last Sunday, Oct. 7. Abu Ghaith said in the tape that he was speaking on the fifth day of bombing, which was Thursday.

He said the U.S.-led air assault on Afghanistan has "eradicated entire villages" but did not name them. Abu Ghaith also pledged to stand beside Afghanistan and praised Mullah Mohammed Omar, the supreme leader of Afghanistan's Taliban rulers. He did not mention bin Laden.

Washington has said it is trying to avoid civilian deaths in its campaign, launched to root out bin Laden, the top suspect in the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

"We dismiss it. This is just more propaganda," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise said Saturday night of the videotape.

Abu Ghaith repeated warnings made earlier this week of more attacks. "When al-Qaida promises, it delivers, God willing," he said.

"The storms will not stop. The storms of planes will not stop until you drag your defeated tails from Afghanistan, not until you raise your hands from the Jews in Palestine, not until you lift the embargo on the Iraqi people, not until you leave the Arabian peninsula, not until you stop supporting the Hindus against the Muslims in Kashmir," he said.

He advised Muslims in the United States and Britain "not to ride planes and not to live in high buildings."

Abu Ghaith, a Kuwaiti who appeared with bin Laden in the first video released by the group Oct. 7, said Bush, his father, Clinton, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and British Prime Minister Tony Blair were "at the head of all the criminals, the Zionists and the crusaders, who have committed the worst practices and greatest atrocities against the Muslim nation."

"Millions of Muslim men, women and children have been killed without committing any sins," he said.

He said al-Qaida had ordered the Americans and British to leave the Arabian Peninsula because the "land will burn with fire under their feet, God willing."

Abu Ghaith denounced Islamic nations, accusing a gathering of foreign ministers from the 56-member Organization of the Islamic Conference this week of "supporting the strike."

"These people do not represent the masses in any way and don't have any legitimacy," he said of the OIC members. The OIC session held in Qatar - which the Taliban had asked to help stop the U.S. air campaign - did not directly condemn the bombing, instead only expressing concern over civilian casualties.

You guys(or gals) are only useful dupes or apologists for the barbarians behind this attack.

Your the Jane Fonda's of the new millenium.

41 posted on 10/14/2001 6:12:08 AM PDT by bulldog905
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To: waxhaw
(And I will of course be labled "anti-Jewish" because I place my nation first.)

Stop whining. And your attempt to immunize your self against charges of being anti Semitic are friggin pathetic.

50 posted on 10/14/2001 6:48:33 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: waxhaw
You should know by now that any comment which is in any way uncomplimentary towards Israel will lead to immediate ad-hominen attacks against the poster.

He made some ad homonym attacks on Jews. There are many defenders of Jews (and Israel) here. Many who aren't Jewish. Therefore he will be slammed. And deservedly so.

54 posted on 10/14/2001 6:51:15 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: waxhaw
"You should know by now that any comment which is in any way uncomplimentary towards Israel will lead to immediate ad-hominen attacks against the poster."

Do you honestly believe that there is even a 0.0001% chance that what this poster said was true? This story is popular on Radio Islam.
66 posted on 10/14/2001 4:50:07 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: waxhaw
"For myself, I support Israel... but I support the United States first - even if it is at the expense of Israel."

Well, there are plenty of 'born-again Christians' that feel exactly the opposite. We love our country, but will resist those in our government who hate the plans of the GOD of Jacob.

88 posted on 10/19/2001 5:08:13 PM PDT by God_isa_Jew
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