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1 posted on 10/03/2001 11:59:05 AM PDT by Pay now bill Clinton
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So your kid has to sign up for Selective Service. Big deal. 6,000 people died doing what they have done for years. Your kid signing up for Selective Service don't mean squat in the light of that.
2 posted on 10/03/2001 12:05:50 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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Dick Cheney was too busy to serve in uniform. If I were him I would not be proud of this.

If you want a war hero, talk to Jim Webb. He was decorated for valor in combat and was Reagan's Naval Secretary. He would make an excellent Secretary of Defense.

3 posted on 10/03/2001 12:06:13 PM PDT by Norwell
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Who is signing up for the draft? What draft?
4 posted on 10/03/2001 12:06:44 PM PDT by Peach
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Pure drivel.
5 posted on 10/03/2001 12:10:12 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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You forgot this:


6 posted on 10/03/2001 12:10:45 PM PDT by LoneGOPinCT
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Next week, that little boy has to sign up. For the draft.

So did I. So did probably most folks here at FR. What's your point? Are American men part of the militia or not?

7 posted on 10/03/2001 12:12:27 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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Ah, someone who points out that nearly everyone, regardless of position, is full of sh*t. I may not agree with him about all of this, but that's my kind of skeptical thinking...
8 posted on 10/03/2001 12:14:41 PM PDT by ignatz_q
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"Yet "going to war" still means something different to Americans than it does to most of the rest of the world. It means tearful farewells by wives, girlfriends, children and parents at naval dockyards and air force bases - with the knowledge that a small number of men might not come back."

This guy is slobbering all over his keyboard. It is no different for Americans than it is for anybody else. Some serve on the front line, some are REMFs, and some contribute from home. Cheney has served in his own way and done a good job.

10 posted on 10/03/2001 12:18:01 PM PDT by Movemout
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Andrew Stephen- your name has been duly registered in the "AGAINST US' column.

Next applicant please, keep the line moving...

15 posted on 10/03/2001 12:32:17 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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I signed up for the draft 10 years ago. I don't recall my father being upset.

Oh, yeah- maybe because he served his country during WW2. Maybe that's why he didn't pitch a hissy fit.

19 posted on 10/03/2001 12:39:06 PM PDT by Oschisms
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"But Powell, looking much younger than his 64 years when I saw him, has come out swinging - saying that the use of nuclear weapons will not be necessary, and insisting to the rest of the war inner cabinet of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser, that any full-scale assault on Iraq must be ruled out if he is to continue to try to forge a genuine international coalition"

Yes, that all-important coalition. The author needs to acknowledge some political reality. Powell is the Secretary of STATE, by definition a DIPLOMATIC position. We do not want the SecState advocating war of any kind. That's not his job. His job is to grit his teeth and say the things that need to be said so that the ultimate goals of U.S. foreign policy can be realized. If one of those goals is taking out Saddam and turning Iraq into our own private frat house, so be it. He has no say.

23 posted on 10/03/2001 12:57:13 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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bump
31 posted on 10/03/2001 1:36:27 PM PDT by Red Jones
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  Since someone was willing to start a thread critical of Cheney, I'd like to get my two cents in:

  It's worth remembering Cheney's speech at the Republican Convention last year. He was bleating about how the US military was unready under Clinton. His proof was a news interview with a commander somewhere who said his troops were not presently up to strength; what Cheney didn't mention was that this commander already had half his troops in Kosovo so his comment really meant that with about half his force already in the field, the remaining half - by itself - was not ... etc.   After making such a fuss at the Convention, about a year later the Bush DOD announced it now had a change of goals, rather than try to maintain sufficient readiness, it was giving up on any hopes of being able to fight two wars simultaneously - essentially conceding to the situation Cheney had bitched about in his Convention speech.

  It's also worth remembering what sort of troops Cheney himself had mustered when he was Secretary of Defense under Old Bush. When Operation Desert Storm started an appalling number of our volunteer servicemen and servicewomen - most of them recruited under Cheney - suddenly decided that although they had freely enlisted they suddenly had scruples about going where the action was and wanted out of the Army in the worst way. Not exactly a ringing indorsement for Cheney's notion of readiness.

  Yep, Cheney managed to avoid the draft .... not like Clinton, who earned a deferment by being a top scholar, but by pulling strings. And of course Dan Quayle served ... on a golf course, and Boy George got cushy stateside duty that apparently didn't even mind his ducking out of active duty training. And all the while the Republicans were belittling the comparatively less-risky-than-combat service of Dukakis in Korea and Gore in Vietnam; heck, Republicans can avoid those war zone assignments.

36 posted on 10/03/2001 2:10:19 PM PDT by DonQ
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Big deal, signing up for the draft. I signed up. So, what. Cry me a river, dumba$$.

Have you not heard? bin Laden views each and every taxpayer as a soldier; a part of the military. So, it really doesn't matter whether you're in uniform or not.

My advice: buy a gun-buy some shells-learn to shoot the gun-get a concealed carry permit (if your state doesn't have this law, get it passed)-be prepared to kill some terrorists within your borders (God forbid that time ever comes). Because we're all members of the military to this psycho a$$holes.

42 posted on 10/03/2001 3:07:57 PM PDT by PrivacyChampion
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I pointed out that it was less than a generation ago that the Vietcong "took out" 59,000 Americans in a humiliating military defeat where US military might failed abjectly (actually, around half those 59,000 died in accidents or of natural causes).

Frightfully ignorant statement. Wonder where he picked up these little morsels of misinformation.

47 posted on 10/03/2001 3:15:50 PM PDT by skeeter
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My husband was a pilot in the Navy in Viet Nam.
I trust Dick Cheney 1000% more than I trusted any of the Washington crowd in that war...er, police action.
49 posted on 10/03/2001 3:39:09 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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Cheney, to take just one example from the eager team of hawks, received no fewer than five deferrals of national service, so that he avoided it completely.

As did many other young men, at the time. A deferral was LEGAL. There were many reasons allowed.

This brit wimp is knocking Cheney, and building up Powell. It is good management for the President to have alternate views and input. Administrations OFTEN to have the tension of such views. Powell is playing a role.

Based on what I state above, I would rather have the appeaser/dove as Secretary of State--the diplomatic side. And the warmonger/hawk on the Defense side. Just exactly as G. W. Bush does have it. Okay.

50 posted on 10/03/2001 4:52:11 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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