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'US called off first attacks'
This is London ^ | October 3, 2001 | Jeremy Campbell

Posted on 10/03/2001 10:18:54 AM PDT by PrivacyChampion

'US called off first attacks' by Jeremy Campbell in Washington The United States and Britain yesterday called off military strikes against terrorist targets in Afghanistan at the last minute.

Washington officials say today that a severe attack of last-minute cold feet by some key Arab members of the coalition caused President Bush to postpone the operation.

The waverers are Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan and Oman, and US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is embarking on an urgent mission today to strengthen nerves in these countries.

Prime Minister Tony Blair is also about to undertake a hasty visit to the region. Saudi Arabia's support is especially vital, because Allied aircraft and commanders need its base facilities.

Two senior US officials have told reporters that until yesterday the Saudis were firm in their offer to provide assistance for strikes, including use of a state-of-the-art command centre at the Prince Royal Sultan Air Force Base.

Then the situation changed. One US official told Knight Newspapers: "That is no longer true. We fear there is something deeper here."

Mr Rumsfeld's trip to the Middle East is intended to mend these unexpected ruptures.

Downing Street, meanwhile, confirmed Mr Blair will be departing on a mission tomorrow but refused, on security grounds, to be drawn on any of the detail. Amid clear unease over the advance leaks of the trip, a spokesman dismissed all reports as "speculationî maintaining that some of the suggested calling points for the Prime Minister were simply wrong.

Mr Rumsfeld's tour, which includes Saudi Arabia, Oman, Egypt and Uzbekistan, is being compared to the stage-setting trip made by Dick Cheney, then Defence Secretary, to the Gulf just before the start of Desert Storm.

This time there is more at stake. Near the top of Mr Rumsfeld's list of priorities is to talk his way to an agreement with Uzbekistan, on the northern border of Afghanistan, to use the country as a staging area for the attack.

Uzbekistan is now regarded as a potential key asset in the coming showdown, but is rated the coalition's single most fragile link.

Highly attractive to the US are the number of abandoned air bases there, once used by the Soviet Union.

This will be Mr Rumsfeld's first face-to-face meeting with the ruling regime there. It has demanded that the US negotiate a complete Status of Forces Agreement before it will permit the use of its military bases - an unrealistic condition which could be tangled up in legal knots for years.

The trip, undertaken at the request of President Bush, is expected to last three days.

Oman, also skittish, is regarded as an important support base for a ground incursion. US special operations forces can be flown there and then put on amphibious invasion ships.

US officials are not sure whether this is a case of last minute jitters, or " something more serious".

One notable omission on Mr Rumsfeld's itinerary is Pakistan. "The last thing Pakistan needs is a high profile visit by a US Secretary of Defence," said a Pentagon official.

The country is contending with ferocious anti-American demonstrations, with Mr Bus burned in effigy and hordes shouting: "Death to America! Let Americans come here to be buried!"

Washington officials advised reporters not to assume military action was only hours away. They stressed that Mr Bush will act only when he is convinced, by Mr Rumsfeld and others, that "all the pieces are in place". Such action will come "at various stages and times", they said. The President himself told reporters there is "no calendar" for the start of hostilities.


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To: stboz, _Jim, katze, sinkspur, Shooter 2.5, silly
Yeah, right. I saw the same strategy used this past Saturday in Gainesville, FL. Mississippi State just beat the hell out of Florida with it.

I've played in football games, and I've fought in war. And, believe it or not, they're not the same. One's a game, one's for keeps. I could care less how Bush should coach a football team, but I don't want him running off half-cocked and causing unnecessary deaths of our own military personnel just to make Sunday morning quarterbacks feel good.

101 posted on 10/03/2001 12:10:18 PM PDT by Judge Parker
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To: Judge Parker
but I don't want him running off half-cocked and causing unnecessary deaths of our own military personnel just to make Sunday morning quarterbacks feel good.

We need to drop a small scale neutron bomb on Ossam Bin-Laden and then not one member of our military would be at risk.

102 posted on 10/03/2001 12:29:14 PM PDT by RickyJ
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
>Last night was a full moon. Would YOU want to do a SpecOps action then?

lol.

The WTC terrorists staged a raid on New York City in broad daylight during morning rush hour and managed to destroy an icon of the modern business world.

But US special forces need the dark of the moon to go into some dirt camps in a third world hell hole and twist necks and kick in computer screens...

[sighs] What you say may be true. But it sure sounds stupid.

The Islamic Revolution (or who ever is running this attack on the US) is operating creatively, zealously and boldly. If whatever segement of the Islamic world that is standing on the sidelines (and whatever other enemies America may have) sees that the US cannot or will not respond with equal boldness and creativity, our enemies will only be empowered by our timidity.

Mark W.

105 posted on 10/03/2001 12:57:54 PM PDT by MarkWar
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To: PrivacyChampion
"'US called off first attacks' by Jeremy Campbell in Washington"

I don't understand why Jeremy Campbell was not allowed to launch an attack from Washington! lol

106 posted on 10/03/2001 1:00:01 PM PDT by verity
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To: PrivacyChampion
First the comment about a Palestinian state. Now this, which I hope is just bs. In fact I assume it to be false. If, the merciful Allah forbid, this were to be true, Jimmy Bush would have a difficult time not being seen as a peanut farmer.
107 posted on 10/03/2001 1:09:13 PM PDT by chinche
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To: The_Victor
>>>this is a multifaceted card game and bluffing is a legitimate strategy. <<<

You got it Victor. Bush, unlike Clinton, is in this to win (I think he has defined that as bin Laden dead) and he's not worried about a temporary dip in his popularity caused by a strategy that results in several delays.

These delays may have several objectives - one might be to see if we can get bin Laden to make a break for a safer hole while the delay is on.....and then we catch him in the open.

Bush has some very scary smart people on his team - I have faith. George, "Lets Roll"...when your ready!

108 posted on 10/03/2001 1:20:32 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: RobFromGa
I'm not even normally a Bush supporter, but I'm with him and you - on this matter which transcends my partisanship.
109 posted on 10/03/2001 1:22:33 PM PDT by Judge Parker
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To: HardStarboard
one might be to see if we can get bin Laden to make a break for a safer hole while the delay is on.....and then we catch him in the open.

Precisely what I was thinking too. Bluff knowlege his location to see if you can get him to move. Sort of like using a bird dog to flush the covey.

110 posted on 10/03/2001 1:38:48 PM PDT by The_Victor
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To: RickyJ
Listen Judge this is WAR, not some court dispute. You are way of out of your league here. In a war you kill your enemies even if they weren't directly responsible for the attacks you kill them anyway.

You must be one of those parents who, upon walking in the room and seeing a broken lamp on the floor, punishes all your children for what one of them did.

You might feel good, but your kids will eventually hate you for such high-handedness.

Most Muslim states are not, in fact, against us, but many in those states are. And more will be if we follow your stupid strategy.

111 posted on 10/03/2001 1:47:28 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: RickyJ; _Jim, katze, sinkspur, Shooter 2.5, silly
You are way of out of your league here. In a war you kill your enemies even if they weren't directly responsible for the attacks you kill them anyway.

I've flown 460 combat missions. How many have you flown? I spent a year working on the G-3 Staff for a Marine Air Wing witch controlled 13,000 men, at the time. You possibly have more combat experience than I do, a great many do.

I know a great many people who have served in combat, and I know few who believe in running into a fight half-baked. You may well like the smell of your people rotting, I don't. I'd kill their extremists until the deserts turn green from the flow of their blood, but I won't unnecessarliy kill just anyone who is handy. I've personally seen such, and I know how counterproductive thoughtless murder is. In the end, you loose more of your own. Killing those who need to be killed is one thing, but killing innocents so that you enrage an entire social group of 1.2 billion people is nothing more than madness. Your apparent idea that you don't care if America is thrown into a deep depression speaks worlds about what you actually think of our country. Killing people appears to be your only goal. If it is, it ain't much of a goal. [This does not mean that I don't think many should be killed, it just means that I believe we have a president who knows what he's doing. And I support him.

I'm not like bin Laden, and you shouldn't be either.

"You are either with us or against us" - George W. Bush

Everything I've said on this thread has been in defense of George W. Bush. I'd appreciate it if you stopped implying that he doesn't know what he's doing.

112 posted on 10/03/2001 1:49:05 PM PDT by Judge Parker
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To: The_Victor
Speaking of which.....

There was a news story on FOX or MSNBC early today that the CIA had indications that an arms cache and some Al Quaeda assets had shown up in East Africa. There is some speculation that our friend may be trying to make a run for it to Sub-saharan Africa.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

113 posted on 10/03/2001 1:51:58 PM PDT by section9
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To: ambrose
Nice pic! Thanks...
114 posted on 10/03/2001 1:52:20 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: PrivacyChampion
The Arabs just need to have things 'splained to them. The Saudi Royal Family is replacable. If they don't behave, it could soon be Sharon Arabia.

So9

115 posted on 10/03/2001 1:53:02 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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To: PrivacyChampion
The Uzbecks have always been whores. They exist because of Russian blood spilled to keep their pathetic waste togather and yet they take every opportunity to spit in the Rodina's eye. Well America, you courted them for 10 years, now you finally get to see what exactly you were courting. Cowardly, ungrateful whores. As for the rest, how can they strike against their own sons? They will continue this as long as possible to win time from within the frame work. America's collalition is a joke. Half the countries (the Islamics) that it courts all actively support terror...they will do what ever they can to make sure the Christians die by the droves and are stuck in Afghan for decades, since they know that they will be next if Afghan ever ends. Think about it.
116 posted on 10/03/2001 1:55:24 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: PrivacyChampion
The Uzbecks have always been whores. They exist because of Russian blood spilled to keep their pathetic waste togather and yet they take every opportunity to spit in the Rodina's eye. Well America, you courted them for 10 years, now you finally get to see what exactly you were courting. Cowardly, ungrateful whores. As for the rest, how can they strike against their own sons? They will continue this as long as possible to win time from within the frame work. America's collalition is a joke. Half the countries (the Islamics) that it courts all actively support terror...they will do what ever they can to make sure the Christians die by the droves and are stuck in Afghan for decades, since they know that they will be next if Afghan ever ends. Think about it.
117 posted on 10/03/2001 1:57:52 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
Bump. That is correct, we're waiting on the moon to phase out. We ARE NOT launching operations into a full moon making our choppers and planes easy targets.
118 posted on 10/03/2001 1:58:08 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Judge Parker
Good points on your #52. Bush and his team are right to get the allies, assets and prep in place before striking. Much as I would have liked a strike on 9-12, this thing is being handled correctly, unlike Clinton's attack on empty tents and an aspirin factory. From Bill Gertz's piece in today's WashTimes, it looks like they're assembling a good target list that will deliver a very hard blow but not lose allied support. Threads like this remind me of having to deal with my kids when they want to open their Christmas presents early. Just wait, the day will come. Thank you for your service.
119 posted on 10/03/2001 2:04:19 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: flamefront
Russia has very little control over Uzbekistan. Turkmanstan and Tazhikistan are another matter, why the Russian war machine is gearing up with crack troops and heavy armor....I can't wait to be deployed....blood begets blood, its time time for CRUSADE...the Christian answer to Satan. Time to slaughter the enemies of God. 13 centuaries have proved that one can not live with these vermin, time to pay them for 13 centuaries of blood in the only curency they understand. My own life is irrelavent, as long as Islam bleeds and the devil's bush is prooned. The Cross and the Sword...the ways of the Rodina.

Issys Voskros!


120 posted on 10/03/2001 2:05:07 PM PDT by Stavka2
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