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Marines do it their own way
MSNBC ^ | 9/30/01 | Sue Lackey

Posted on 09/30/2001 2:28:55 PM PDT by kattracks

A different approach to special forces   Image: U. S. M arine At Camp Pendleton
A Marine awaits orders during urban war training exercises last week at Camp Pendleton, California.
 
By Sue Lackey
MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR
Sept. 30 —  For the average Marine, it is both amusing and a bit galling to hear all the talk about “special forces” and their capabilities. For while the Army, Navy and Air Force have created Special Operations Commands with a unique structure, the Marine Corps has taken its basic forward deployed unit — the Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) — and trained every one in special operations tactics.

THE FAMED Delta Force is often celebrated as the nation’s most elite special operations team, but its position as a member of the the Army’s Joint Special Operations Command gives it a narrow focus restricted to counterterrorism and hostage rescue. In contrast, each MEU must be qualified in 18 separate mission areas, including counter terrorism. This broad focus in training and qualifications makes the Marine unit more versatile than any other service’s special operations forces.
       Gen. Alfred M. Gray, who served as Commandant of the Marine Corps in the early 1980s, helped create the Joint Special Operations Command. But while the command often requests Marines to flesh out its capability, the Corps is the only service which has refused to join the command at an organizational level. “It goes against the reason the Marine Corps was developed,” says a Marine officer who is a special operations specialist. “It would have forced the Corps to focus on one mission, when the nation needed an amphibious force for forcible entry, with much broader capabilities.”
       Under a recent reform of the system, traditional special operations forces forces are assigned to specific theater Commanders in Chief — for instance, the Commander in Chief, Europe or the Commander in Chief, Southern Command, which handles Latin America. East of these commands have units with specific specialties, and depend on that regional commander for support. MEU’s, however, an amphibious force that can be deployed at will to any theater. Their floating base of operations gives them the ability to sustain a mission longer than other special operations forces, which are traditionally used for short term insertions, or in the case of the Green Berets, specific insurgency training missions.
 

      The true strength of the MEUs lie in their ability to augment their forces with air and ground combat elements and combat service support. This means any given unit can call in tanks, amphibious assault vehicles, and fixed wing aircraft — all of which are part of standard MEU order of battle. Other special operations forces must rely on conventional service support when additional forces are needed.
       A perfect example of this versatility was in the 1983 Grenada invasion, where Army special forces were inserted to extract U.S. Embassy staff. The team was able to reach their target, but were then bottled up inside the embassy and unable to get out through enemy troops. The JSOC team then called for Marine support. An MEU which had been diverted to Grenada broke through with tanks and armored vehicles to extract their colleagues and the embassy personnel they had rescued.
       The way in which special operations training has been integrated into the basic structure of the Corps has changed the capabilities of the Corps as a whole. The other military services are large enough to allow their SF units to function in some degree of separation. Because the Marine Corps is so small in numbers, its SOC qualified personnel rotate on duty throughout the Corps, which has enhanced the overall quality of training and identification with special operations forces. Most of these men have now percolated to the top of the command structure. “It’s been in place so long now that a lot of the flag officers grew up with this-they’re Al Gray’s boys,” said one Marine special operations veteran. “That’s what you do not get in the other special forces, because they tend to stay in their own areas. When they do go into other units to further their careers, they have problems integrating within the conventional forces and its military bureaucracy. They don’t do well as staff officers; they want to go back to their unit.”
       That lack of experienced special forces officers at high levels to give special forces a voice allows other branches of the conventional forces to marginalize the effectiveness of special operations in budget battles and mission planning — a situation the Marine Corps has managed to avoid.

       



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To: JoeSixPack1
LOL ! That is exactly how it sometimes works . No need for the incoming , firing for effect on a hard target that is worthy :). My beret is black , and I new something was up when they passed me for the fire fighting class . Good article , great replies , and 1st class people !
301 posted on 10/02/2001 6:54:47 AM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: COB1
That ain't nuttin'. I was at Tun Tavern in 1775 . . . Now that's the old corps. :-)
302 posted on 10/02/2001 7:01:45 AM PDT by CHIEF negotiator
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To: CHIEF negotiator
I was at Tun Tavern in 1775

Now there is a Marine whos Uniform no longer fits!! Do you fart dust?

303 posted on 10/02/2001 7:06:57 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: arimus; grunt03; oldgray; joesixpack1; drTEJ
You gotta read this one:

Marines Ready to Roll

Semper Fidelis!

304 posted on 10/02/2001 7:08:22 AM PDT by MudPuppy
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To: JoeSixPack1
LOL!
305 posted on 10/02/2001 7:12:00 AM PDT by CHIEF negotiator
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To: MudPuppy
A little help from an 0151

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bb87c870b34.htm%3f

306 posted on 10/02/2001 7:15:10 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: COB1
The "spirit" is alive and well ...

Simper Fidelis.

307 posted on 10/02/2001 7:16:12 AM PDT by geologist
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To: COB1
They were the 'Old Corps'". But they told stories about their D.I.'s who were WWII vets, so those were really the "Old Corps". No doubt they had stories of their own about the Marines they knew who were really the "Old Corps." We have a long and proud heritage, and may we never forget it.

How true, how true!!!

At this time I consider myself as having been in the "old corps" but it brings to mind a Sergeant Major (then a MSgt of course) who was ready to retire in 1948 after 30 years of service. Things were a bit different then, we had an NCO Club and an Officer's Club, and we were gathered in the NCO Club after payday (5th and 20th and not much money!). The Sergeant Major was telling stories of the "old corps" which were fascinating. The Banana Wars, His time in China in the '30s, getting into fights in the bars of North Africa while on liberty from the ship's detachment on a Battleship.

To me, "that" was the Old Corps. Thanks for the memories.

308 posted on 10/02/2001 7:21:56 AM PDT by oldngray
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
A tip of my green beanie to the Corps. I had the privilege of not only training some, but working with some on ops. The only thing I had a problem with was being referred to as Girl Scouts, which always led to a good punch up. Good times had by all. De Oppresso Liber.
309 posted on 10/02/2001 7:34:54 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa
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To: JoeSixPack1
I was an 0151, too. I'm just html challenged.
thanks very much for the help :)

USMC (1982-1993)

310 posted on 10/02/2001 7:46:41 AM PDT by MudPuppy
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To: kattracks
God Bless the United States Marines.
311 posted on 10/02/2001 7:47:33 AM PDT by MassExodus
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To: COB1
I notice ILBAY still hasn't answered the question of the day: Has he ever made fist without his wanger in the middle of it? I think not. De Oppresso Liber.
312 posted on 10/02/2001 7:47:36 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa
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To: eaglesiniowa
"Has he ever made fist without his wanger in the middle of it?"

HAHAHA!!
No, that's the way he gets rid of "aggressive tendencies".
All the peaceniks have hairy palms.

313 posted on 10/02/2001 8:01:54 AM PDT by COB1
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To: Illbay
You're still not answering the question: Did you ever make a fist without your wanger in it? Simple. Even you can understand the question. If you have no service record, shut up. If you have, tell us about it.
314 posted on 10/02/2001 8:05:30 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa
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To: JoeSixPack1
Hey, the DOD says we can no longer call a Marine a "jarhead". It has been conclusively proven that, you can, in fact, store something in a jar.
315 posted on 10/02/2001 8:09:17 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa
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To: eaglesiniowa
You're treading on very thin ice.
316 posted on 10/02/2001 8:26:11 AM PDT by CHIEF negotiator
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To: Slipjack
"we all stand out and up for one another with always our backs to the other to protect our brother Marine!!!!"

As before, as always.

Semper Fi Slip..

317 posted on 10/02/2001 8:43:08 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Walkin Man
This dog WILL hunt!!!

And it's REALLY hungry right now..

Semper Fi

318 posted on 10/02/2001 8:45:19 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Actually the correct term is ship, ships are big enough to carry boats (like life boats).

Except for when you're talking about subs. Those guys like to call them "boats" for some reason. At least that's what I heard...

319 posted on 10/02/2001 8:49:06 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker, ancient_geezer
Nah, they like to call them "Cigars".
320 posted on 10/02/2001 8:53:11 AM PDT by CHIEF negotiator
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