Why America Has Already Lost the War

Arutz Sheva (Israel) | 28 September 2001 | Moshe Feiglin

[bluetoad]

6,000+ Dead Americans and 60 Countries losing people at the World Trade Centers...

Osama Bin Laden and his thugs are about to receive an Enema curticy of the U.S. Military and Friends.

At the end of that day, it will be clearly understood that Terrorist Attacks on the US Mainland(Againt Civilians) is a VERY BAD IDEA...

Every walk of life in America from Farm Boys to Longshoremen are Pissed Off. Even the Life Long Pacifists are rethinking their ways.

Whatever Osama's motives, it sure wasn't to ignite a patriotic rage that hasn't been here seen since Perl Harbor.

[Benson_Carter]

we agree for once, Fred25. I am sick of American intervention policies and I am sick of Jews calling for genocide. I'm sorry that the world hates Israel but we are not Israel's mommy. She can protect herself or not at all; it is not our battle to fight for them.

[agrandis]

VERY interesting article! I don't think it will be received by most. There are so many ironies and frustrating misconceptions in this whole affair - it overwhelms me.

[Rome2000]

while continuing to show friendship and tolerance for those Moslems who do not live by hate

And in what country exactly are these moslems who don't hate us.

Even in the moslem governments that "support " us, the native populations are overwhelmingly in support of Jihad, or holy war against the USA.

I find it amazing that people continue to practice self deception.

When the arab world as a whole is crying that they are engaged in a holy war against us, I BELIEVE THEM

[Gritty]

“Go to church, to the synagogue, to the mosque and pray,” ended the President.

What Bush was doing here is reaching out his hand to a large group of American Moslems in an attempt to bring unity in the face of adversity (and, perhaps, diversity). It does not mean he believes the Biblical God and Allah of the Koran are one in the same (they aren't). Bush is also being diplomatic and attempting to prevent an international Jihad against the West by not inflamming passions in the Moslem world that shouldn't be inflammed.

Bush's statement is not a theological statement. It is the statement of a leader of a Nation that needs to unite against a common enemy.

We don't need 12 million Muslims in this country as a unified 5th column. The probability many already are should not negate the need to reach out to those who aren't. After all, if American Muslims are the "sea" in which the terrorists swim is unified against America, the battle will be much longer and more bloody,... for both sides.

[gjenkins]

"the American tiger turned out to be a helpless kitten"

Let's show this idiot our Roar! ... meeeow.

[agrandis]

Some errors in the article:

1) Islam is not a daughter of Judaism - Christianity IS. Islam is a perversion of both, instigated by the madman, Elijah Mohammed.

2) The Christian "daughter" he spoke of does NOT hate its mother. Biblical Christians honor the Jewish people as those chosen by God to give us His Word. You might say the mother hates the daughter, but it is a one-way hatred. The Spanish Inquisition, for one example, is an imposter daughter, a cult, persecuting the mother.

3) The crux; the heart; the summation of true Christianity, and their Gospel (good news) is that truth (or justice) and mercy cannot be separated. They are one in God, and He is perfectly just and perfectly merciful. It is an amazing truth that thrills my soul, and is not the crux of any other religion on earth.

[lightning]

This hysterical screed from a citizen of an American protectorate that wouldn't survive a fortnight in the absence of our absolute friendship, largesse and bodyguard services.

This attitude (so superior and all knowing) makes me want to wretch.

[agrandis]

A cultural war is not "genocide." Genocide is the attempted eliminatiuon of a gene pool.

Feiglin kept saying that this war could be one without killing anyone. Do you have any idea why he kept saying that?

[SteamshipTime]

Who among us is willing to cross the ocean in bands of two and three, live and work in Lebanon for the next year or so, board an Arabian airliner with a few compatriots armed with boxcutters, use them to slit the throats of the crew, herd everyone else on board to the back, and crash the plane into Mecca? Our enemies are, and the people who helped them do it have already melted away into the neighborhoods of at least a dozen Arab, African, and other Muslim countries. What are the consequences of waging war on Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq (look how well our bombing's succeeded there), Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Indonesia, and part of the Phillipines?

The terrorists we've caught will be, on the tab of the U.S. taxpayer, fed, clothed, housed, treated with taxpayer-funded medical care if they get sick, provided with taxpayer-funded attorneys if they're too poor, and receive the full benefits of due process in a lengthy, taxpayer-funded trial. No one will be deported (much less assassinated), our borders will remain open, the taxpayer-funded U.N. will continue to enjoy the high life made possible by capitalism, and foreign aid will continue to flow.

The only response I can think of is to bomb whom we can find and implicate, evict the UN, deport ALL non-naturalized immigrants, close the borders, and bring the troops (and our tax dollars) home. Let them guard our borders, our shores, and our airways instead of everyone else's. It is the Department of Defense, isn't it? Oh, that's right. The hundreds of billions we've spent on the military, the CIA, NSA, FBI, and ATF were wasted because what we really needed all along was an "Office of Homeland Defense."

And another thing. What's this s*** about a War on Drugs=War on Terror? Does anyone seriously think that opium cultivated in Central Asia or cocaine in South America poses some sort of threat? How many drug users do you know? Whitney Houston? Robert Downey? The NBA? Terrorists make money in the stock market too. Time to declare a "War on Equities?"

/rant>

[lightning]

Is it any coincidence that most of the cesspools and hell holes of the world are occupied and presided over by Muslims/Arabs?

[ThreeOfSeven]

Feiglin kept saying that this war could be one without killing anyone. Do you have any idea why he kept saying that?

He seems to believe that destroying Islamic holy sites would cause Islam to collapse and disappear. With such allies we'll never lack enemies.

[agrandis]

I saw the parts you showed were clipped - highly interesting omissions! Still, I'm glad Magician posted this at all, because it IS an interesting article, and thought-provoking. The author is right about many things, I think.

[Who is George Salt?]

You don't have to go back to the Spanish Inquisition to find an example of an "imposter daughter" persecuting the mother; we have a home-grown version known as "Christian Identity."

Christian Identity ideology asserts:

-- the white Aryan race is God's chosen race and that whites comprise the ten lost tribes of Israel

-- Adam was preceded by other, lesser races, identified as the beasts of the field

-- Eve was seduced by the snake (Satan) and gave birth to two seed lines: Cain, the direct descendent of Satan, and Able, who was of good Aryan stock through Adam

-- Cain then became the progenitor of the Jews in his subsequent matings with the non-Adamic races.

-- Jews are predisposed to carry on a conspiracy against the Adamic seed line and today have achieved almost complete control of the earth.

So what have YOU done to stand up to radical, fanatical Christianity?

[bluetoad]

Think what you want about Americans. But remember this, all of US are from somewhere else.

That means we came here to find something that exist nowhere else on earth. For some it’s Peace, others it’s Freedoms, and a host of others Ideas. Yes we brought with us the Best and the Worst of Humanity. We are free to leave anytime we wish and go back to where ever we came from no questions asked. That part of what it means to be Free. And no American will ever give that up willingly. None can take it away…

[Capt.YankeeMike]

excellent read, and right on the money. we had the perfect excuse to nuke tehran, bagdad and kabul. we could have occupied iraq and had a nearly exhaustible supply of cheap oil, what a boon to the world economy. we stabilize the middle east, and boom the economy. and show the islamic nations not to f___with us. what do we do? we act like the politically correct pussies we are. we ask for help. we ask for support. we dance around the obvious solution (nuke and occupy). I weep for our once great nation. we are not safe, and our govmint is totally impotent....