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Canadian Forces In Very Bad Shape, Report Says
Canadian Press | 9-26-01 | John Ward

Posted on 09/26/2001 7:31:04 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

Wednesday, Sep. 26, 2001

Canadian Forces in very bad shape, report says

By JOHN WARD-- The Canadian Press

OTTAWA (CP) -- Amid a world girding for a war on terrorism, the Canadian Forces are in sad shape, unable to fight against the best and win, a major defence group concludes in a new report.

The army can field little more than company-sized units of 150 or so in a crisis and the navy and air force are falling short in their responsibility to guard the airways and sea lanes while meeting overseas commitments, the Conference of Defence Associations says.

The conference, an umbrella group representing a variety of defence-oriented organizations, is to release the damning report, entitled Caught in the Middle, on Thursday. It cites a litany of military shortcomings and calls for at least $1 billion in new defence spending over each of the next five years.

"Today, the Canadian Forces could not (as required by the 1994 white paper) 'fight against the best and win' beyond a marginal level," the report says.

The Forces are short of money and trained manpower to the point where the army would not be able to field a brigade-size contingency force within 90 days as required by the white paper, the conference says.

"The army is not sustainable under the current circumstances."

The report says the army can't even maintain its 1,800-member contingent in Bosnia if it wants to modernize and be able to respond to any other crisis.

The navy is so short of sailors that one of its destroyers is tied up for lack of a crew.

"The navy will not be able to deliver its mandated level of maritime defence capability without additional resources."

The air force has a pilot shortage that is bound to get worse before it gets better.

"The air force is 'one deep' in many areas and has lost much of its flexibility and redundancy."

The group says the title of the report "implies that the Canadian Forces currently inhabit the worst of two worlds: conventional military capacities are in decline; new capabilities are unaffordable."

The conference blames government stinginess for the troubles, despite modest increases in defence spending in recent years.

"Canada spends only $265 per capita on defence. The NATO average is $589."

The defence minister's office refused to comment on the report. Defence Minister Art Eggleton, who was in Brussels attending a NATO meeting, wasn't available.

The report gives the Forces a failing grade when it comes to the ultimate test of any military: the ability to fight.

"The low level of collective training, the unsatisfactory state of some weapons and equipment and the lack of logistics support would make engagement in combat operations problematic without resolving those shortfalls."

As Canadians wonder what military help Canada might provide to the U.S. in the war on terrorism, the report states:

"The situation will not improve until Canadians and their government realize that the cost of effective armed forces is the price of doing business in the modern world.

"Nations, particularly those in the G-7 group, who shirk their duties in this respect may anticipate unfavourable treatment in the international economic domain."


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To: Lady Heron
Listen, we are joined at the hip.You may not like it, but we know the US isn't hostile, so let's be realistic and realize that the only threat to us comes from you, no one else, so if we know you don't care about us enough to invade, why in God's name would we spend 90% of our GNP to defend against YOU! What else can Canada, as a nation, do that the US can't huh? It comes with the territory of being the biggest and strongest, and if its a free ride, well it is.We can't compete with you.We are smaller than California.Those are the breaks.
121 posted on 09/26/2001 9:44:00 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: habs4ever
THE POINT IS THAT YOU CAN NOT EVEN HELP US DEFEND YOURSELF!!!! Grow up.
122 posted on 09/26/2001 9:50:15 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: My Favorite Headache
As my canadian friends say...

Canada went to war once, lost their bullet, and had to come home.

123 posted on 09/26/2001 9:50:50 PM PDT by jude24
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To: habs4ever
I personally have no problem defending you. I was just wandering why any Canadian would sit back and not be ashamed for at least trying to help?
124 posted on 09/26/2001 9:53:06 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: My Favorite Headache
Yeeehawwwww!

54'40 or fight!

I say we take western Canada and make it the 51st State. It would give the US one huge oil and coal reserve, large timber supplies and we would own the road to Alaska.
Not to mention we could cut out all the tariffs and taxes on the Canadian people and allow the citizens to have their guns back.

126 posted on 09/26/2001 9:56:33 PM PDT by Chewbacca
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To: Proud Canadian
The Canadian Alliance is led by a man who says that dinosaurs wandered the earth 6000 years ago.

He is probably right.

127 posted on 09/26/2001 9:57:12 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: My Favorite Headache
# 70: I agree. It's a shame on both our houses that the Vietnam grunts were not supported during the war, and as vets have been abandoned after the war.
128 posted on 09/26/2001 9:57:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: habs4ever
Yo! Habs! I think all the sane folks have left this tavern; there's just some drunken yokels remaining.

Don't get mugged. Walk out while they're preoccupied with their sisters.;^)

130 posted on 09/26/2001 10:02:28 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: coteblanche
Good answer!!!!! LOL.

Thank you. I see both the Sens and Blackhawks won tonight.

131 posted on 09/26/2001 10:04:32 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: Lady Heron
Where do you think they are sitting back ?If I wasn't ashamed, I sure wouldn't be posting on this thread.Most Canadians are very pissed off, myself included, and we expect with our tax rates to have at least a 3rd rate military.
132 posted on 09/26/2001 10:04:54 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: coteblanche
WHOA!! Don't take offence from my last post. It sure wasn't aimed at you!;^)
133 posted on 09/26/2001 10:05:01 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Lady Heron
No need to tell me to grow up lady.You are out of line.
135 posted on 09/26/2001 10:08:19 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: habs4ever
Go Leafs.
138 posted on 09/26/2001 10:10:15 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: coteblanche
I'd never ask that from a Sens fan....
139 posted on 09/26/2001 10:13:12 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: mathurine
"The Mathurine...remembers Dieppe...

While not old enuff myself to "remember" Dieppe (I was born after WWII), I have certainly heard of that battle, and of the great loss of life suffered by Canadian commandoes, who battled bravely against overwhelming odds. Canada has as fine a military tradition as the US, but in days to come, more than tradition will become necessary...

the infowarrior

140 posted on 09/26/2001 10:18:17 PM PDT by infowarrior
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