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Canadian pilots unwilling to carry guns
rediff.com ^ | September 26 2001 | Ajit Jain in Toronto

Posted on 09/26/2001 6:16:57 PM PDT by AM2000

Canada's commercial airlines pilots are unwilling to carry any firearms with them on board the plane.

They say they are pilots and not gunfighters and therefore they wouldn't carry firearms in their cockpits.

Air Canada Pilots Association, comprising of 3,600 members said despite support from the US-based Air Line Pilots Association, they have now been forced to consider ways of defending 'the cockpit at all costs against attackers', that they 'are not keen on the idea' of carrying arms in the cockpit.

"In a word, no, it's not our position that Air Canada pilots be armed," said Peter foster, ACPA expert on safety and security.

"What are you going to do, turn a cockpit into an armed fortress? .... And in an emergency the pilot is supposed to be flying the plane, not fighting a battle," he added.

Foster suggested that the Canadian government should consider sending trained officers on board the planes in case the threat of suicide hijackers is great enough to warrant armed protection on planes.

"If a security threat is felt by our authorities to be so serious as to require armed presence on aircraft then, by all means, the government can make the decision of providing armed escorts on aircraft," he added.

Informed sources said Canadian government has already started putting on board flight armed marshals, and it could soon be extended to all flights within Canada and out of the country.

The Canadian Pilots Association continues to reject the idea of letting its members carry guns because of the dangers of weapons on planes.

"What would happen if a pilot was relieved of those weapons by the terrorists? What happens if the weapon discharges and it punctures the pressurised aircraft?" asked CPA's chairman, Captain Raymond Hall.

Canadian Transport Minister David Collenette echoing the sentiments of the pilots said, "We're really not moving in the direction of having armed personnel in any guise on airplanes."

Collenette has, however, already ordered that cockpit would be locked as soon as the plane doors are closed and will be opened only after plane exit doors are opened.


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1 posted on 09/26/2001 6:16:58 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: AM2000
Well done, once more Canada, I guess you're "keen" on having your planes left-turned into skyscrapers - you puds.
2 posted on 09/26/2001 6:21:56 PM PDT by lodwick (let's roll, and get it over and done with.)
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To: AM2000
They say they are pilots and not gunfighters

If they come from the Air Force, why can't they use firearms? Pilots have to meet basic physical/mental fitness requirements (I hope!), they are already nearly the perfect profession to start handing guns to (at least to the ones who want them). Just have them train for a few hours a month on the range, and then a few hours a year of hand-to-hand combat training. They don't have to be commandos, just good enough to drop four terrorists with a hi-cap pistol at close range.

3 posted on 09/26/2001 6:25:12 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: AM2000
""In a word, no, it's not our position that Air Canada pilots be armed," said Peter foster, ACPA expert on safety and security."

"Peace in our time," eh?

4 posted on 09/26/2001 6:26:27 PM PDT by billorites
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To: AM2000
Better a gunfighter than a target !!
5 posted on 09/26/2001 6:26:32 PM PDT by GhostSoldier
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To: AM2000
Obviously they don't consider themselves captain of a ship with the responsiblity to protect it.

They must think themselves truck drivers hauling cargo.

What air line do they run so I can stay off it.

6 posted on 09/26/2001 6:26:34 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: AM2000
I am beginning to think it should be pronounced Cana-DUH!!!

Sheesh... Just stay as inoffensive as you can Canada. Be so nice and sincere and sweet that no one will ever consider you an enemy.

7 posted on 09/26/2001 6:26:43 PM PDT by Ronin
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I like it. This way we won't have to shoot down any U.S. airliners. Air Canada will be the flight of choice for Wahhabi Kamikazes, not U.S. flag carriers. It is always easier to shoot down an ally rather than your own citizens.
8 posted on 09/26/2001 6:27:42 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings
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To: AM2000
Anyone got Osama's email address. This should be forwarded to him. May take a little heat off our people.
9 posted on 09/26/2001 6:27:54 PM PDT by Flint
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To: AM2000
Are these relatives of the same Canadians that landed at Normandy?

Is there a sign at the border the says, " Welcome to the Great White North - check your manhood at the door!!"?

10 posted on 09/26/2001 6:28:48 PM PDT by DSHambone
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To: AM2000
Canadians expect big government to do it all!
11 posted on 09/26/2001 6:31:37 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: AM2000
Yes, please Captain Maple leaf choose to be targets.
Also please choose to be shot down if you vary from your flight plan over the U.S.
I will choose to fly only on U.S. air carriers with armed U.S. pilots.
12 posted on 09/26/2001 6:31:45 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: AM2000
Those Canucks are something else!
13 posted on 09/26/2001 6:31:52 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: Lazamataz
Ping.

14 posted on 09/26/2001 6:36:56 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: AM2000
They say they are pilots and not gunfighters

They forgot to say the most important thing, they are weanies! Friends in Calgary have a strapping young son who must play badminton in school, because football is considered a high risk sport.

The pilots could always use their dreaded cushions on any terrorists.

15 posted on 09/26/2001 6:38:45 PM PDT by Mahone
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To: GhostSoldier
Canada is a lovely country. Its citizens are generous and kind.

It hasn't taken a position of responsibility, as far as international affairs are concerned, since WWII.

It's an very admirable nation of school teachers.

We can pretty much blow off Canada as a serious partner in international affairs until there is a change in government.

Memo to Canucks: Maybe try electing a PM who has a smaller chip on his shoulder and/or less of a speech defect.

16 posted on 09/26/2001 6:38:50 PM PDT by billorites
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To: AM2000
Imagine that...
17 posted on 09/26/2001 6:43:08 PM PDT by real saxophonist
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"What would happen if a pilot was relieved of those weapons by the terrorists? What happens if the weapon discharges and it punctures the pressurised aircraft?" asked CPA's chairman, Captain Raymond Hall.

WOW. I never thought of that before! Here, all this time I've been thinking "what happens if a pilot was relieved of his AIRPLANE (read cruise missle) by terrorists?"

Silly me!

Oh well, the worst that could happen is a planeful of French Canadans hits a glacier... I guess as long as none of the debris crosses the US border they should do as they wish...

18 posted on 09/26/2001 6:44:27 PM PDT by HetLoo
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To: AM2000
If Canadian pilots don't want to carry guns and help ensure the safety of their passengers and crew, it's fine with me. However, I (we?) insist that you stay the hell out of US airspace.
19 posted on 09/26/2001 6:45:42 PM PDT by scooter2
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To: AM2000
We need to invade Canada and protect our borders from both sides
20 posted on 09/26/2001 6:56:01 PM PDT by AeWingnut
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