Thanks for looking, & the bump... this link has a lot of info & opinion refuting the "urban sprawl," "Lite rail/mass transit" and related items... I tried to do it as a separate post, but the new software seems to reject the base_ref command that used to make links & graphics "come thru" and so had to settle for the link. Some good stuff in there. The "Neotraditionalism" article talks about zoning and how it creates problems. I would tend in many cases to agree; the government decrees that businesses should be located away from residential areas, and then wonders why people don't walk to work!?