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| 9/24/01
| Jeff Elkins
Posted on 09/24/2001 3:10:00 AM PDT by Ada Coddington
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To: jeremiah
"...things won't be boring after that happens."I think we already live in interesting times.
To: Ada Coddington
Mr. Elkins seems to forget that we are beating the drums for war as a way to rid ourselves of the threat of terrorism so that we can regain our freedoms. We have five choices:
1. We can convert to fundamentalist Islam and become slaves of the Arabs. This action will win us neither security, peace, nor prosperity.
2. We can try to appease the terrorists with lesser measures of support for their goals and greater restrictions on our own freedoms. This action will not stop them from committing more acts of war against us. Again, we will lose freedom, security, peace, and prosperity.
3. We can refuse to appease the terrorists but give up our freedoms to try to prevent their attacks. This course of action will be no better than the second one.
4. We can continue as before as if the terrorists hadn't just killed thousands of Americans. This course of action will only lead to more attacks until we choose one of the other four.
5. We can accept a few restrictions and make a few sacrifices during the course of a war against our attackers. Eventually, we will be able to exterminate them and force the rest to end their actions against us. This course of action can lead to the most security, peace, freedom, and prosperity.
The Office of Homeland Security scares me as well. I will be a loud voice for winning this war and abolishing the departments that were needed to fight it. However, Mr. Elkins's attack is unjustified.
WFTR
Something that Hasn't Changed (Stop Blaming America!).
Bill
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09/24/2001 4:03:57 PM PDT
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WFTR
To: Aurelius
To return to seriousness, after that silly little episode. Last night there was a post of an article entitled: "The Bush speech to America: A critical analysis", by one Joel Skousen. That post and the associated thread has disappeared from the site. I am very curious as to what happened and why.Didn't see it but I think Skousen is a libertarian if that gives you a clue.
To: Rowdee
When I started reading articles and comments here, back before I ever joined in, it amazed me that so many people posted articles from Salon written by Horowitz and Paglia. Given the neocon dominance at the top of the party and the dwindling number of conservatives in the rank and file, the GOP has drifted so far to the left that they'll soon trip over Lenin's tombstone.
If that bunch represents conservatism, I'll take mine rare. Did you see Mike Pierce's song parody of "Tommy Adkins" on LRC in the weekend edition? It was great.
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09/24/2001 4:12:24 PM PDT
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Twodees
To: WFTR
"Wartime brings the ideal of the State out into very clear relief, and reveals attitudes and tendencies that were hidden. In times of peace the sense of the State flags in a Republic that is not militarized. For war is essentially the health of the State.
Randolph Bourne
1919
To: knarf
Anyone with a somewhat open mind can see that this write does indeed make some accurate parallels and definately does know his U.S. History. Desperate times may call for desperate measures, but we still need to carefully guard our liberty. Didn't Daniel Webster say something famous about that? I think he did, or else it wouldn't stick out in my mind for some reason.
To: independentmind
The left/right scale has always struck me as being just varying degrees of socialism. The extreme right seems to end up at Hitler, and the extreme left ends at Stalin. American politicians all try to paint themselves as being in the middle instead of realizing that they're on the wrong airplane.
Probably the day Americans wake up and hold these moral retards accountable will be a generation or so after the demise of today's news media.
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09/24/2001 4:18:39 PM PDT
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Twodees
To: Lowelljr
I welcome Nuke'm Glowing opinions. His were based on a love of this nation, unlike the others, usually libertarian.In order to love our country, our country must first be lovely. Sometimes it is not.
To: independentmind
When are Americans going to hold their government responsible for this mess? When it starts losing the war.
To: Twodees
Calling Nazism (National Socialism) "right-wing" is a propaganda trick of the Marxists. Nazism is perhaps (as you basically said) at the extreme right of the socialist spectrum. It should not be associated with "right-wing" as used in other contexts, as for example to characterize political positions in the U.S.
To: Aurelius
"War... is the moment when the energy of a single hand shows itself in the most seducing form."
-Thomas Jefferson to Hector St. John de Crevecoeur,1788.
To: jaime1959
I'll bump it. I've been pretty dismayed by some of the idiotic, knee-jerk responses I've read here to ANYTHING that smacks even remotely of criticism of the "nuke'em-all-and-let-God-sort-it-out" mentality. The "100% or nothing" crowd really needs to get a grip.That's fear talking, and perhaps their intuition is correct.
To: Ada Coddington
To: metesky
If Congress and the Senate would actually declare war, I'd cut the gub'mint some slack.There not going to do that because they would then have to follow the Geneva Convention.
To: fone
Es macht nicht aus, wenn Sie mich unterstützen. Ich habe Ihre Kinder. Alas that has been true for the past 4 generations or so.
To: CWOJackson Inspector Harry Callahan
IHC,
just like gubment school
free thinkers will not be tolerated.
fyi cwo I've got 20 years in this mans navy and still serving and I can find no reason to buy the gubment line we need to surrender personal freedoms because of the WOT
To: Redcloak
Sounds like someone is miffed at having an off-topic thread yanked.That too.
To: 6ppc
There are some valid points here, but the comments about FReepers are uncalled for. The only threads being yanked are the ones that provide specific information on military preparations not yet published in press reports.Aw come on.
To: Abundy
"We need a national ID card with our photograph and thumbprint digitized and embedded in the ID card," (Oracle CEO Larry) Ellison said in an interview Friday night on the evening news of KPIX-TV in San Francisco.
Come on Larry, why not an embedded ID chip! We have the technology, the "Digital Angel"
What's that you say? Oh, Oracle won't get the big government bucks for the database?
To: Storm Orphan
I'm not sure I know what it means.
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