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Loving My Country, Fearing Patriotism
Los Angeles Times ^ | 09/22/2001 | C. CUSHING-MURRAY

Posted on 09/22/2001 7:52:42 AM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

As I taught 11th-grade English last week, one star-spangled student asked me why I was not wearing the colors of our flag. Despite the emotionally charged state of our nation and with due caution toward trying not to impose my beliefs, I gave the only answer I could: I fear patriotism.

I suppose this is un-American, but it's not that I don't love my country. It's that the way we practice patriotism is, for lack of better words, unpatriotic.

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To: imberedux
What horrible times we live in when up is down, right is wrong and you don't know who you're talking to or what they're saying.
22 posted on 09/22/2001 10:26:54 AM PDT by ohmage
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To: all
This school teacher is off the mark, but he makes some thoughtful points, however unapt in the present context. I do not think he needs to be denounced, merely answered with civility and reason. The way to start winning the battles on the campuses of America is to be able to do so.

Americans have never sought to justify Mai Lai on the the basis of patriotism. The two atomic strikes against Japan were both on militarily very significant targets. (One can admit that the collateral civilian losses were tragic, but the strikes were seen as necessary to save an enormous number of American lives which would have been lost in establishing a beachhead on the Japanese homeland.) The blows were not, in any event, considered a celebration of our national pride but a wartime necessity. We were trying to actually save lives.

I will not try to defend or justify the fire-bombing of Dresden. In it, we descended to the Nazi level of depravity. On both moral and patriotic grounds, it was a terrible mistake. But whether or not a totally hate filled act, it was never celebrated as an act of patriotism

The teacher is also off the mark, when he describes these terrorists as patriots. Patriotism refers to the love of one's country, to a sense of duty to one's country. The terrorists whom we fight today, are not men loyal to any country. They are Internationalists in the truest sense of the word--men who show no respect for their own or other people's countries. Their method of operation--like that of International Communism, before them, and the International Anarchy that flourished about a century ago--is a war on the very existence of Nations.

But the really essential point is this: You cannot really equate our patriotism with that of other people's without yourself opting out of the allegiance you should be according to your own native land. I have no fault to find with those who acknowledge the bravery, moral character and decency of other peoples--when they are brave, moral and decent. I wish all mankind well. But that does not excuse me from rallying to the defense of my homeland, when it needs defending. And that duty to rally to the defense of my homeland does not depend upon the depravity of the enemy. (Certainly those who attacked the World Trade Center were depraved. But had the target been a military installation, and the motive not terror but simply to conquer us, that duty to respond would be no less.) It isn't even the idea of "My Country Right or Wrong." When it needs defending, the responsibility of the citizen is to defend it. We can sort out our internal differences, after the threat is over.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

23 posted on 09/22/2001 11:01:04 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: imberedux
"They "fear" or "hate" our government. Idiots."

I am a pinhead and an idiot then.

24 posted on 09/22/2001 12:10:40 PM PDT by vmatt
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To: Don Myers
"And I fear those patriots who say you either believe this way or you are an enemy of this country."

Yes and never did I think a lot of those here would join them. I have lost a lot of respect for the opinions on this forum.

25 posted on 09/22/2001 12:12:29 PM PDT by vmatt
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To: vmatt
perhaps if the frenzied citizens would care to cast off the blinders...

Mere Tools

26 posted on 09/22/2001 12:29:10 PM PDT by ohmage
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To: vmatt
I'm starting to agree with you. Why are Freepers so critical of our dosmetic laws, courts and bureaucracy and then assume our foreign policies are not made with same corrupt and unconstitutional goals?
27 posted on 09/22/2001 12:30:19 PM PDT by Paleo-Con
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To: Paleo-Con
"Why are Freepers so critical of our dosmetic laws, courts and bureaucracy and then assume our foreign policies are not made with same corrupt and unconstitutional goals?"

I thought they were until the chips were down and many suddenly became lemmings. I just don't think they knew how to properly balance patriotic fervor with intelligence. It's as if one must give way to the other.

I am hoping it was just the shock and everyone comes out stronger for it. No one in their right mind can justify our short sighted and ineffective foreign policy, IMHO. Even JimRob didn't want to hear it, go figure.

28 posted on 09/22/2001 12:40:34 PM PDT by vmatt
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To: ohmage
"perhaps if the frenzied citizens would care to cast off the blinders..."

Great reading, thanks!

29 posted on 09/22/2001 12:43:42 PM PDT by vmatt
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To: Pokey78
An ordinary run of the mill freedom is free NEA twit.
30 posted on 09/22/2001 12:45:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Pokey78
"...I am not particularly proud to be human right now..."

Well, I am. Only humans would have acted with heroism on Flight #93; only humans would have run into a burning building to rescue those they did not know; only humans recognize the terror inflicted on some as a terror inflicted on all.

So this NEA scheisskopf can take a flying F.

31 posted on 09/22/2001 1:17:00 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: vmatt
You're welcome.

Too bad neil young wasn't mentioned. Perhaps more would have read.

32 posted on 09/22/2001 2:06:40 PM PDT by ohmage
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To: ohmage
bump
33 posted on 09/22/2001 3:52:09 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
bttt
34 posted on 09/24/2001 7:11:30 AM PDT by imberedux
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