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Constantinople, USA or How to Defeat a Jihad
self-written ^ | September 22,2001 | Matt Dedinas

Posted on 09/22/2001 7:43:30 AM PDT by Achilleus66

Many in this country right now are looking to the Middle East and some believe that the fanatacism of the Muslims who wish this country harm somehow makes them unstopable. "How can we beat them?" is sometimes asked. It can easily be done. And we can look back in history for examples. In the West, typically, we look to the Battle of Tours, but the true decisive defeat of jihad came a generation earlier, before the gates of the Queen of Cities, often neglected by modern historians.

When the first wave of Islamic conquest burst forth from the Arabian desert about 633AD they seemed unstopable. From 633AD to 711AD, a span of four generations, they took all of North Africa, Syria, Israel, Iraq and the entire Persian Empire. In 711AD the force of jihad invaded Spain and chased the Visigoths all the way up into the northern mountains of the Iberian Peninsula. The fire of jihad had consumed half the world, how could it be stopped?

More than half of the listed territory had been raped away from the Eastern Roman Empire, which was now reduced to Anatolia and Greece. The 'Umayyids, the ruling dynasty of all Islam, cast their eyes upon the great city of Constantinople, the New Rome. They had conquered all of Byzantium's provinces, why not now take the city itself?

In 717AD the 'Umayyid prince, Maslama, marched on the city and was supported by a vast fleet. But Emperor Leo III, the Isaurian, was ready. The crafty Anatolian soldier-emperor had stockpiled plenty of supplies in the great city, had built up his army, and had copious amounts of Greek Fire(napalm, basically).

Leo met Maslama with his own determination. He used superior naval skill to his advantage. The winter of 717-718AD was exceedingly harsh by the standards of the usually mild Bosporus. The warriors of Allah, usually so scrupulous with their diet, WERE REDUCED TO CANNIBALISM.

In the Spring of 718, with the help of Bulgarian allies, the Eastern Roman Army finally forced Maslama to withdraw. This was more than a simple setback for the jihad of Islam, it was a total defeat. No Muslim army would assail the walls of Constantinople for nearly 700 years after this. This, combined with the defeat at Tours in 732AD, were psychological turning points after which the Muslim Armies began to retreat from Europe, rather than advance into it. After Constantinople and Tours the Muslims took to spreading their faith largely by peaceful means. It would be centuries before Muslim armies would march forth to spread their faith by the sword again.

Jihad is a psychological phenomenon. On how to defeat it, we merely need to take a lesson from Leo III the Isaurian. We must show that our resolve is stronger, that our faith is stronger, that our military might is stronger. What we need is to inflict a Constantinople or Tours style defeat upon them. To replace the idea of invincible jihad with the idea that jihad only brings death and destruction. And we can do it. Jihad is sort of a flash in the pan thing which goes in and out of fashion throughout Islamic History. The traditions of Bushido and Prussian militarism ran much deeper in their respective societies, yet, after the defeat of 1945, neither of these traditions has been in use for nearly three generations now. The idea of jihad has been beaten in the past by men with resources far inferior to our own. All we have to do is harden ourselves and fight the good fight. We can and will do it again.


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To: Achilleus66, Travis McGee
bump
41 posted on 09/27/2001 8:32:42 PM PDT by patent
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To: Achilleus66
Fantastic post. What we're saw on Sept. 11th is neither unique, nor difficult.
42 posted on 09/27/2001 8:48:37 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: Achilleus66
Great historical post, thanks!
43 posted on 09/27/2001 10:03:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Achilleus66
We ought to remember that Constantinople fell in part because of Western treachery: the Fourth Crusade had weakened the Empire, allowing the Turkish conquest of all of the remaining provinces, and the canon was not a Turkish canon but a Hungarian one. American cannot afford treachery from within, and should stand in solidarity with the Christian East.
45 posted on 09/28/2001 8:57:39 AM PDT by The_Reader_David
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To: Achilleus66
A well-deserved bump and I'll trade you some Byzantines for some Crimean Goths, who managed to keep their East Germanic language going until finally being fully assimilated in the 1800s. =)

Where does your interest in Turkey and Byzantium come from?

46 posted on 09/30/2001 9:31:04 PM PDT by Styria
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To: Styria
Sorry for the delay in my reply, I wasn't on FR for a few weeks. when I studied the Roman Empire as a kid, that became my favorite field of interest and, like a good Roman, I dont differentiate between "Roman" and "Byzantine", they're all Romans.
47 posted on 10/23/2001 1:55:51 PM PDT by Achilleus66
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To: The_Reader_David
good point
48 posted on 10/23/2001 1:56:13 PM PDT by Achilleus66
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To: Achilleus66
Not a bad idea - your idea of a generation is a little off (it is generally considered between 30 and 100 years).
49 posted on 10/23/2001 2:03:46 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Achilleus66
bttt
50 posted on 10/23/2001 2:06:52 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Achilleus66
You wrote this? Good!
51 posted on 10/23/2001 2:11:35 PM PDT by JJ59
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To: Achilleus66
"The warriors of Allah...WERE REDUCED TO CANNIBALISM."

Sounds like a plan to me! ;^)

52 posted on 10/23/2001 2:13:35 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Achilleus66
Boiling Oil Bump!
53 posted on 10/23/2001 8:10:23 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Achilleus66
Greek fire and CANNIBALISM bump!
54 posted on 10/24/2001 4:44:28 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: JJ59
yes, my friend, let's just say that recent events have changed my perspective
55 posted on 11/20/2001 8:09:05 AM PST by Achilleus66
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To: dfwgator
You beat me to it.
56 posted on 11/20/2001 8:19:21 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: *Clash of Civilizatio
Indexing.
57 posted on 03/18/2002 5:15:27 PM PST by denydenydeny
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