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The Towers have Fallen and We Missed the Message
Koenig's International News ^ | 9-19-01 | Pastor David Wilkerson

Posted on 09/20/2001 9:48:26 PM PDT by hope

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To: TrueBeliever9,2sheep,Prodigal Daughter,Zadokite,Uriel1975,Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle,
BUMP
21 posted on 09/20/2001 10:58:38 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: hope
What disjointed dreck!

Ministers get away with rambling inchoherence; businessmen have to be clear, concise, to the point.

Deliver us, Lord, from those who claim a "pipleline to God."

22 posted on 09/20/2001 10:58:40 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: hope
Again, you need to take your own advice to heart.

The assumption here is that NY is Babylon. Patently false. Don't try to wiggle out of it. I have nothing more to say about this.

23 posted on 09/20/2001 10:59:50 PM PDT by nmh
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To: hope
The most important words in the NT are the Words of Jesus; the rest is history and backround. If there's gonna be seven headed dragons and a whore, I don't want to be around anyway so why worry?
24 posted on 09/20/2001 11:00:16 PM PDT by Darheel
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To: Matchett-PI, peg the prophet,P-Marlowe spudgin,fortheDeclaration
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25 posted on 09/20/2001 11:00:31 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Don Joe
Be that as it may be, he still talks like an idiot trying, inappropriately, to proselytize morbidity and guilt. That the U. S. is in a state of decay is obvious. But it has nothing to do with lunatics flying airplanes into buildings.
26 posted on 09/20/2001 11:03:06 PM PDT by RLK
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To: nmh
"Indeed you should"!

I am not ashamed to say I do so often.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

27 posted on 09/20/2001 11:04:04 PM PDT by hope
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To: Lurker
(not to you lurker) Take basic map of world... find ancient site of babylon in upper middle east to central asia area... look on opposite side of the globe several oceans and seas away... see New York city... HEY MORON PREACHER... NEW YORK is NOT Babylon!!! There IS no Babylon per se.

God may know where babylon is. WE know where it is not. More lying applications of God's word, to build a radical following of extremists... for the fund raising mailing list.

These folks are nuts.

We need yet another KOOK ALERT!!!

28 posted on 09/20/2001 11:04:19 PM PDT by eccl1212
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To: Darheel
I am not worried...I just desire the great commission.
29 posted on 09/20/2001 11:05:30 PM PDT by hope
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To: nmh

What the U.S. and the rest of the Christian world should do is this:

2Chr.7:14:

[14] If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

{{Ahem}} C'mon, nmh, you just did what you chided hope for. Look at the context of this passage:

When Solomon had finished the temple of the LORD and the royal palace, and had succeeded in carrying out all he had in mind to do in the temple of the LORD and in his own palace, the LORD appeared to him at night and said: "I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a temple for sacrifices.

"When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

"Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayers offered in this place.
"I have chosen and consecrated this temple so that my Name may be there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there."

II Chronicles 7:11-16

Now, I'm not saying prayer isn't meant for everyone at every time, but this promise is made specifically to Solomon (who had just finished building the first Temple in Jerusalem) and to the Jews over whom Solomon presided as king.

It is not made to Christians living in America, since the prayers were meant to be offered (and were promised to be answered) in Solomon's Temple.

It is a promise made to O.T. Jews, not N.T. Christians.

Still love ya'.

Later...

30 posted on 09/20/2001 11:06:39 PM PDT by Stingray
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To: hope
bttt
31 posted on 09/20/2001 11:07:33 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Vicki
I've been waiting and wondering why people aren't talking about Satan's part in this,

Because SATAN does not take up offerings and build huge mailing lists for collecting offerings based on the misery and suffering of others....

32 posted on 09/20/2001 11:07:49 PM PDT by eccl1212
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To: nmh
PLEASE, PLEASE, STOP this misinterpretation of the Bible to suit yor self righteous agenda. It only highlights your ignorance.

NYC is NOT Babylon! It NEVER has been! This is just the latest theory amongst the "tossed to and fro" crowd.

Thank you for that...it gets a little chaotic here sometimes...

33 posted on 09/20/2001 11:10:48 PM PDT by wayne_shrugged
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To: Darheel
The most important words in the NT are the Words of Jesus; the rest is history and backround.

The most important words in Scripture are the Words of G-d; the rest is history and backround.

34 posted on 09/20/2001 11:10:58 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: sinkspur
"Deliver us, Lord, from those who claim a "pipleline to God."

I know what you mean...I don't like it when people claim that they are the pipeline instead of Jesus..He is our pipeline..and I don't think the author is saying that he has a special, personal pipeline of himself..

35 posted on 09/20/2001 11:11:33 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope
"Deliver us, Lord, from those who claim a "pipleline to God."

I know what you mean...I don't like it when people claim that they are the pipeline instead of Jesus..He is our pipeline..and I don't think the author is saying that he has a special, personal pipeline of himself..

I don't like it when people claim that they are the pipeline instead of G-d.

37 posted on 09/20/2001 11:17:15 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: peg the prophet
Don't ping me anymore until you clear up that other little matter that erupted today.

This was bumpted for discussion...which you seem to have a problem with unless it agrees with you

hey peg did you ever consider that the Gospels are OT ..Ummmmma little something from a Baptist PHD to consider...

38 posted on 09/20/2001 11:18:53 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ET(end tyranny)
You are certainly free to believe so.
39 posted on 09/20/2001 11:20:33 PM PDT by hope
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To: RLK
The more I read of this stuff, the more difficult it is for me not to take a whip to anyone who calls themself reverand or pastor or whatever.

No kidding. It would be one thing if they could make a cogent argument, but I've yet to see one. Of course, the response to this observation is more blather with generous portions of ad hominem abusive added, but still no cogent argument. One thing that often happens is that the one pointing this all out is set upon as questioning G-d. I have little regard for people who make baseless arguments and then attempt to hide behind the inscrutable mind of the Almighty when call on it. But this is just the other side of the coin.
40 posted on 09/20/2001 11:21:40 PM PDT by aruanan
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