[CWOJackson]

"Tempted though some may be to glean talking points from the tragedy, this is no time for sermonizing about failed intelligence or soured imperialism. This is a season for a heartsick nation to mourn our fallen and commend our heroes. Details will surface soon enough, but they won't fill empty chairs at dinner tables. Buildings can be reconstructed; broken families cannot." - Pat Buchanan, Sept 12, 2001

"In the presidential campaign of 2000, we failed to make foreign policy the issue. But what I said then retains relevance: "How can all our meddling not fail to spark some horrible retribution ...." - Pat Buchanan, Sept 18, 2001

Pat, why couldn't you take your own advise?

[mo]

The fundamental issue has been that as we do business in the Mideast, the dollars we send them do not trickle down. The leaders project the existence of such wealth disparity as our fault, thereby defusing themselves of the risk and responsibility. They offer token tribute to the local toughs who then "invest" in in Judeo-American terrorism as the relief valve for domestic discord. If we intervene to wipe out the terrorist, we are seen, and IMHO, are siding with the leadership who will perpetuate such oppression. Better we withdraw all business relationships with such countries until we are invited back. BTW there is NO WAY we can fight and win a ground war in Afghanistan. Both China and Russia dearly want us there in that capacity-that committment would be a ring in our nose for the next decade.

[Victoria Delsoul]

How many others among our 11 million "undocumented" immigrants are ready to carry out truck bombings, assassinations, sabotage, skyjackings?

BS! They were legal, documented immigrants. Pat despises the poor illegal Mexicans, who have never committed a terrorist act against this country, as the LEGAL Arabs immigrants have done! All he does is talk and do squat every time there is trouble, but he is incapable of giving solutions that work. He received 1% of the vote in the last election, which is apropos since he is NOTHING more than 1% percent of a man!

[a_witness]

We are told the first target of America's wrath will be the Taliban. But if we rain fire and death on the Afghan nation, a proud, brave people we helped liberate from Soviet bondage, we too will slaughter hundreds of innocents. And as they count their dead, the Afghans too will unite in moral outrage; and, as they cannot fight cruise missiles or Stealth bombers, they will attack our diplomats, businessmen, tourists. Apparently, our first ally is Gen. Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan. Let us pray that his decision does not bring him down. A pro-Taliban takeover of his country would give fundamentalists the atom bomb. Commentators are demanding that Bush declare war on all who preach hatred against us or have harbored terrorists: Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. William Bennett wants China added to the enemies list. Some are clamoring for an invasion of Iraq. Yet U.S. air, naval and ground forces have been cut in half since Desert Storm. And in any declared war on all the rogue nations of the Islamic world, the first casualties would be our Arab allies: Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The second would be Western unity as North Atlantic Treaty Organization nations, facing the threat of an crushing oil embargo, begged off joining Bush's war coalition.

I read between the lines and surmise grimly that the only nation with whom Mr. Buchanan would support a war would be Israel ...

[ouroboros]

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[Professional]

Well, here I come. Having been a loyal Bushie for years here, I must say I mostly agree with Pat.

Terrorism upon the US has everything to do with our intervention. THEY want us out.

The question? How bad do WE want to stay? Is Oil and Israel a good enough reason to stay? I think so. And Pat would tell me, "you'll have to accept the consequences", and I'd say that "I understand that."

Pat's words seem to be mangled by the readers, as usual. He is simply explaining WHY the terrorism, not WHO's to blame.

I did manage to catch Pat on Sean Hannity's radio program today. Sean seemed to want to focus on the blame thing.

Pat's comments about making friends with enemies in war re enforced my opinion that PJB was an intentional spoiler of the Reform Party. Also, Pat has gone back to making some sense. Pat, you're great, thanks for helping defeat Gore. Pat, you may not have "loved" the idea of Bush as President, but you KNEW the danger of a Gore Presidency.

[dalebert]

what all these yappy people don't seem to understand is we don't have any choice. next time it will be nukes.

[dalebert]

what all these yappy people don't seem to understand is we don't have any choice. next time it will be nukes.

[mrflashrifle]

Pat, is in fact a very serious voice of reason. The collective 'we' are in fact a victim needing blame. Having developed a habit of dependency on foreign oil, we are at the mercy of Arab Nations. In the process, we have emasculated our defenses and military intelligence thanks to a naive belief that with the end of the cold war, we had nothing to worry about. As Pat has pointed out, not only have we built an empire, it is an empire without proper defense. We *do not* have the ability to wage two concurrent major campaigns - a stated goal since the end of world war II. If I were a Taiwanese national or a South Korean, I'd be trembling as we are about to get mired in what will prove to be a decade long war in the middle East, as our allies flee for cover. We'll be left twisting in the breeze as we fall to the tar baby bait of creating a war between fundamentalist Muslims which will rapidly gain followers as they try to topple the great Satan. The paradox here is that the very people - the f&cking french, Italians and others will sit out on the sidelines, not wanting to get involved in 'war', but rather supporting empty rhetoric. paradoxically enough, the true terrorist is the US Environmental terrorist - the college student with his dreadlocks, who aided and abetted by the Sierra Club, is preventing us from using our own resources and eliminating our ability to detach ourselves from foreign dependencies. AMERICA FIRST!!

[snodog]

Hey Pat, I am guessing that you didn't hear, but Osama has called for your head, and every other AMERICAN.

I don't know about you, but when someone says they want to kill me, I get upset.

It's either me, or him.

[vox1138]

Sometimes Pat is awesome, but he's missing the point now. This is not a particular skirmish, it is a global struggle of the new versus the old, and of freedom versus dictatorship, that will soon involve nearly every nation. It is dangerous and filled with risks, but assuming that catastrophic threats will subside, if this conflict is limited to a single exercise, is denial.

[CWOJackson]

Pat's title is great: U.S. Pays the High Price of Empire.

And now he wants to put a sur tax on the wealthy to pay for the war!

LOL! Fulani would be proud.