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Pat Buchanan: U.S. Pays the High Price of Empire
Los Angeles Times ^ | 09/18/2001 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 09/18/2001 6:41:29 AM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

As the twin towers of the World Trade Center came down in flames, taking 5,000 Americans with them, an unserious era in U.S. history came to an end. "All is changed, changed utterly," wrote poet W.B. Yeats. President Bush has now received full authority to wage war against all who abetted the slaughter. It must be done. Our American family cannot permit the mass murder of our brothers and sisters to go unpunished. But as the president directs the moral outrage of his wounded nation, he will need the wisdom of Solomon.


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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Pat is a bigger anti-freedom terrorist than the totality of all the illegal mexicans in the country".

I see you are still supporting and sticking up for the millions of criminal illegal aliens that have spit on our sovereignty, our laws and our constitution.

You see Luis, no matter how you chop it up, we are a nation of laws, and illegal aliens are criminals that continue to invade our land.

All this and now as hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their jobs and being laid off. That's something to be proud of Luis. Now you go ahead and dance around this Luis, and feel free to use all your foul language as you did last time.

302 posted on 09/19/2001 4:16:12 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: duckln
Pat knows history and is not afraid to go against the NeoCon beltway blather which is why people listen. He doesn't tickle our ears but tells us the truth. Just look at how many posts Pat gets here when he speaks! 300 +! American Republic forever! Globalist never!
303 posted on 09/19/2001 4:16:54 PM PDT by Buchanan4prez
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To: Buchanan4prez
Pat knows history and is not afraid to go against the NeoCon beltway blather

I dusted off a copy of his book (A Republic, Not an Empire), scanned through it, and was amazed by how prophetic it is.

Interesting how he was deamonized whan the book came out last year.

Almost like the other guys realized how prophetic and were sore afraid.

It's here now. We need to change our ways, or we will be in very deep trouble.

There are only about 300-million of us.

304 posted on 09/19/2001 4:22:32 PM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: Beenliedto
Yes Beenliedto and read the part about a briefcase nuke that destroys Seattle. That is our future and Pat is indeed prophetic. Time to stop pushing open borders and global government. Unfortunately, 11 million of "us" 300 million Americans are illegal and need to be sent back because they pose an immediate 5th column danger to America more dangerous than the Taleban.
305 posted on 09/19/2001 4:44:12 PM PDT by Buchanan4prez
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To: Gunner9mm
Obviously you missed my point. I am not blaming America. I am blaming the USG. Apologists for the USG will invariably make the argument as I did in points 1 and 2 that since we are a Democracy (first falsehood) that we are directly responsible for our government's actions or non-actions.

Since for the most part the deception of politics is based on this thin thread of rationalizing USG transgressions it is a rather deceptive way of shifting direct blame to the public. It is "the" collectivist argument for all that's rotten in Washington. It is a falsehood that only carries IF we believe that America is a democracy.

No government is perfect, ours is far from it.

But much farther from perfect as long as we have three branches of government at the federal level that continue destroy our Constitutional Republic through subterfuge and legal sleights of hand. Besides, it is an old rationale that is continually promoted by those who think this nation is ruled by majorities instead of law. It is generally made by people who aren't proud of our Constitutional heritage.

306 posted on 09/19/2001 4:56:04 PM PDT by l0newolf (LoneW0lf@home.com)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
And I see that you are still lying.

I don't stick up for illegal aliens, never have, and you can't provide a single instance of my having done so. I slam fascist idiots like you and your ilk.

I, on the other hand, can provide dozens of posts proving your fascist ideology, your usage of Hitlerian language to describe minorities, and your compulsive lying.

So far, while you and the Patsies spent your time picking on Mexicans, the biggest acts of terrorism in the history of the nation were carried out by Arabs, and Tim McVeigh.

Loser......

307 posted on 09/19/2001 4:58:39 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis wrote" "Pat is a bigger anti-freedom terrorist than the totality of all the illegal mexicans in the country".

I responded: I see you are still supporting and sticking up for the millions of criminal illegal aliens that have spit on our sovereignty, our laws and our constitution.

You see Luis, no matter how you chop it up, we are a nation of laws, and illegal aliens are criminals that continue to invade our land.

All this and now as hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their jobs and being laid off. That's something to be proud of Luis. Now you go ahead and dance around this Luis, and feel free to use all your foul language as you did last time.

308 posted on 09/19/2001 5:02:13 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So far, while you and the Patsies spent your time picking on Mexicans, the biggest acts of terrorism in the history of the nation were carried out by Arabs, and Tim McVeigh.

We need to stop applying bandaids... If we don't stop trying to impose our "Empire" on the rest of the world, it will become far worse, probably sooner than we'd like.

No one is picking on Mexicans... some of us are simply questioning the failed policies of the people in power.

Bottom line... is there any question that the policies of the past have failed?

Going back to Wilson?

309 posted on 09/19/2001 5:07:52 PM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"I, on the other hand, can provide dozens of posts proving your fascist ideology, your usage of Hitlerian language to describe minorities, and your compulsive lying".

Nice try Luis. Oh and JimRob does not tolerate what you described above. Nice dance Luis.

310 posted on 09/19/2001 5:08:24 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"parasites"...one of Adolf Hitler's favorite words to describe Jews.

You challenge me to find how many times you've used the word "parasites" when talking about Mexican illegals Herr Joe?

311 posted on 09/19/2001 5:21:36 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: William Wallace
Somewhere on the web is a lengthy and very technical essay on why diesel engines could not have been used to kill people. It got into the amount of various gasses in diesel exhaust and it probably convinced a lot of people.

I don't know if the people who bought the arguements were anti-semite or not. I do suspect that that the person who wrote the essay was being dishonest since none of the data he put forth included the consequence of a diesel engine deriving it's intake air from the same area where the exhaust was vented. The deception was obvious to me, Maybe it wasn't so obvious to Pat.

312 posted on 09/19/2001 5:24:34 PM PDT by UnChained
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Get lost sonny.
313 posted on 09/19/2001 5:26:45 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Buchanan4prez
Got that right. Time to clean house on the interventionists. Globel govt is a failure. Keep speaking the truth Mr.Buchanan.
314 posted on 09/19/2001 6:19:39 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
Globel govt is a failure.

The fact of the matter is that people seem to do best in small tribes.

315 posted on 09/19/2001 6:26:17 PM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"I, on the other hand, can provide dozens of posts proving your fascist ideology, your usage of Hitlerian language to describe minorities, and your compulsive lying".

OK Luis I'll bite. Since you have now called me a Nazi and racist, show me the DOZENS of posts that I supposdly posted with fascist ideology with Hitlerian language to describe minorities. Oh and don't forget to reveal all of that compulsive lying as you describe.

Unfortunately Luis you wont find any. Like I said before on this thread Luis, JimRob don't tolerate that kind of BS.

But since you stated that I have done this and posted all these dozens of facist hitler ideology stuff as you stated, it should be real easy for you to find. I will be waiting to see your evidence and proof Luis.

316 posted on 09/19/2001 7:38:51 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Pokey78
Well, here I come. Having been a loyal Bushie for years here, I must say I mostly agree with Pat.

Terrorism upon the US has everything to do with our intervention. THEY want us out.

The question? How bad do WE want to stay? Is Oil and Israel a good enough reason to stay? I think so. And Pat would tell me, "you'll have to accept the consequences", and I'd say that "I understand that."

Pat's words seem to be mangled by the readers, as usual. He is simply explaining WHY the terrorism, not WHO's to blame.

I did manage to catch Pat on Sean Hannity's radio program today. Sean seemed to want to focus on the blame thing.

Pat's comments about making friends with enemies in war re enforced my opinion that PJB was an intentional spoiler of the Reform Party. Also, Pat has gone back to making some sense. Pat, you're great, thanks for helping defeat Gore. Pat, you may not have "loved" the idea of Bush as President, but you KNEW the danger of a Gore Presidency.

317 posted on 09/19/2001 8:04:39 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Pokey78
what all these yappy people don't seem to understand is we don't have any choice. next time it will be nukes.
318 posted on 09/19/2001 8:27:09 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Pokey78
what all these yappy people don't seem to understand is we don't have any choice. next time it will be nukes.
319 posted on 09/19/2001 8:28:04 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Looks like you shut the boy up Joe!
320 posted on 09/19/2001 8:45:06 PM PDT by Buchanan4prez
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